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JoePhilly

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81. 2 months is how long we had the 60 votes INCLUDING the Independents.

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:29 AM

Aug 2013

You forget or ignore ....

1) Al Franken wasn't seated until the summer of 2009. Leaving the Dems + Independents at 59 until he was seated.

2) Ted Kennedy died shortly after Franken was seated that same summer. Retirning the total of Dems + Independents to 59.

3) Brown (R) won Kennedy's seat and took office in Jan 2010. Dropping the Dems to 59 again.

When you include the congressional recess that occurred ... the Dems had 60 votes for all of about 75 days, or just over 2 months.

Most Democrats know this math.

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Why didn't Obama cancel his summit with Putin over their new anti-gay laws and policies? [View all] CreekDog Aug 2013 OP

Maybe because it's easier to have an influence on policies like that if you have pnwmom Aug 2013 #1

then why cancel over Snowden for less influence over that policy? CreekDog Aug 2013 #4

What policy would we have less influence over as a result of canceling this over Snowden? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #24

You know Aerows Aug 2013 #31

The policy here seems to be just "in your face" treestar Aug 2013 #87

My guess is ... Koios Aug 2013 #2

" DADT pretty much ended on its own" Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #6

The alternate reality ... Koios Aug 2013 #11

Here's my reality: Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #15

According to me ... Koios Aug 2013 #17

It's impossible for the law to "end on its own" without the signature of the President Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #21

Not really ... Koios Aug 2013 #30

"Letting others do the heavy lifting insulates him" -> You have no idea how laws get passed... phleshdef Aug 2013 #54

No law needed ... Koios Aug 2013 #58

Doing it via executive order would've been stupid. phleshdef Aug 2013 #68

Sorry ... 2010 is correct Koios Aug 2013 #69

You still continue to lie about the super majority senate. phleshdef Aug 2013 #72

Whew ... Koios Aug 2013 #75

2 months is how long we had the 60 votes INCLUDING the Independents. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #81

2 months ... ??? Koios Aug 2013 #82

Horse shit. phleshdef Aug 2013 #84

Koolaid!!!! Koios Aug 2013 #85

^ This post indicates that your arguments have been dismantled. phleshdef Aug 2013 #88

Indeed it does! Koios Aug 2013 #90

I love how you have changed the subject away from gay rights to avoid embarassment. phleshdef Aug 2013 #91

My apologies for blaspheming Saint Barack Koios Aug 2013 #92

Still refusing to get back on the subject... phleshdef Aug 2013 #95

Sorry; please ... Koios Aug 2013 #97

My replies to you were in reply to subjects YOU brought up. phleshdef Aug 2013 #98

Gotcha ... Koios Aug 2013 #101

He's gone Cali-Democrat. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #105

Emphasis: "How's that alternate reality bubble you're living in? Is it fun?" Koios Aug 2013 #13

Hi Aerows Aug 2013 #37

Okay ... Koios Aug 2013 #43

Doing the right thing Aerows Aug 2013 #50

Cool. Koios Aug 2013 #53

Not you. n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #60

Sorry! Koios Aug 2013 #61

Playing the gay card? Aerows Aug 2013 #40

"How's that alternate reality bubble you're living in? Is it fun?" It actually sounds like one hell Number23 Aug 2013 #49

True ODS treestar Aug 2013 #89

He was playing politics. So was Clinton with DADT. randome Aug 2013 #14

+1 YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #18

That is correct - they have followed, only embracing when popular dbackjon Aug 2013 #33

Yeah, which ... Koios Aug 2013 #47

That's different - it affects him. dbackjon Aug 2013 #48

He needs to learn from Mandela ... Koios Aug 2013 #51

Awesome Quote! dbackjon Aug 2013 #57

Wish I'd said it first :) Koios Aug 2013 #59

He is one of mine, as well dbackjon Aug 2013 #65

Marriage is. treestar Aug 2013 #96

Loving vs Virginia would say you are wrong dbackjon Aug 2013 #99

but marriage is treestar Aug 2013 #100

Did you really just type that? dbackjon Aug 2013 #102

Yes, he is. But, there are those who have an Cha Aug 2013 #32

Koios was served pizza, Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #106

Oh, is That who I was replying to..! mahalo, she~ Cha Aug 2013 #107

Obama for gay rights~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #108

Beautiful Gay Rights pic and graphic, she! Cha Aug 2013 #109

My guess, it was~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #110

ROFLMAO! Cha Aug 2013 #111

No artificial flavors...Could smell this bad! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #112

LMAO! Cha Aug 2013 #113

"DADT pretty much ended on its own" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #79

He did. nt woolldog Aug 2013 #3

quote? link? CreekDog Aug 2013 #5

I just read this in the WaPo maddezmom Aug 2013 #8

thank you! CreekDog Aug 2013 #20

Unfortunately your post did succeed in attracting some Obama bashers Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #25

i edited CreekDog Aug 2013 #27

Thanks! Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #29

Good read, putting things in perspective treestar Aug 2013 #93

Nope ... Koios Aug 2013 #7

You put nope, then added a link that says yep. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #62

Not really ... Koios Aug 2013 #64

What? We're talking about canceling the meeting with Putin. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #67

Yeah ... Koios Aug 2013 #80

He did cancel it. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #9

Snowden wasn't the only reason Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #10

He'll do that in a few years. The Link Aug 2013 #12

Drone strikes, on the other hand... YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #19

A most telling question. From it one may infer Obama's actual priorities. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #16

Obama talked about LGBT rights re Russia on Leno last night. emulatorloo Aug 2013 #28

People will slam Obama for allegedly not speaking out against the Russian legislation Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #45

Obama has also talked about being like Trayvon Martin and that attacks on peaceful protesters Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #73

Make up your mind. Are words meaningless or are Obama's platitudes re: Ray Kelly reason geek tragedy Aug 2013 #77

because he knew the ODS folks sigmasix Aug 2013 #22

HE DID. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #23

+1 HappyMe Aug 2013 #35

Found this quote from the Leno show.. Cha Aug 2013 #44

He also mentioned Russia's support of Syria which is far more of an international Number23 Aug 2013 #52

Exactly, opposite ends of the Syrian civil war. I just wrote another Cha Aug 2013 #70

Earlier OP where they were calling the President "childish" treestar Aug 2013 #94

Oh yeah, a stupid cartoon Cha Aug 2013 #104

Does Russia's law impact our national security? Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #26

Should that be the only criteria? dbackjon Aug 2013 #36

Sometimes Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #38

Yes, because a reduction in civil rights makes our national security more in danger CreekDog Aug 2013 #41

Not convinced that is a significant consideration Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #71

Our leaders don't do anything that doesn't benefit them. I think cancelling this trip had more to liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #74

It was an ex post facto "factor" n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #34

His thinking has not evolved on that yet. mwrguy Aug 2013 #39

Yes, it has. Cha Aug 2013 #46

Glad to be mistaken mwrguy Aug 2013 #56

He did cite the new laws on Leno as part of why he cancelled and he did so Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42

+1. William769 Aug 2013 #78

i had long ago corrected my OP to say just that CreekDog Aug 2013 #83

Because those issues do not threaten his power. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #55

Well you're wrong because if you read the thread one of his reasons for Cha Aug 2013 #63

Yes, One of the reasons PBO is cancelling Putin's ass is his atrocious stance on Gay Rights.. Cha Aug 2013 #66

Why didn't he go to the summit & discuss the issues they 'disagree' on? Myrina Aug 2013 #76

Then he'd have to not meet with many world leaders treestar Aug 2013 #86

I hope Obama goes shirtless while applegrove Aug 2013 #103