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In reply to the discussion: Thanks, Stand Your Ground! No homicide charges for teen who shot, killed man [View all]Bazinga
(331 posts)68. Take another look at your statistic
The original source is here, and it says:
Overall, shootings are ruled justifiable in only 1.5 percent of cases. However, the rate goes up substantially in those cases for which Stand Your Ground laws purport to protect innocent shooters. Specifically, in cases where the victim and the shooter are strangers and a handgun is used, a homicide is ruled justifiable in about 10 percent of cases.
Across the country, when the shooter is white and the victim is white, the percentage of shootings ruled justifiable is a little more than 11 percent. When the shooter is black and the victim is black, about 8 percent of homicides are ruled justifiable.
Now, when the shooter is white and the victim is black, the justifiable homicide rate is 34 percent. When the situation is reversed and the shooter is black and the victim is white, shootings are ruled to be justifiable in only slightly more than 3 percent of cases.
Notice in the first paragraph they are talking about SYG, saying the number of homicides ruled justifiable is increased. However, in the second and third paragraphs they are talking about the proportion of all shootings saying that more white on black shootings are found to be justifiable than the reverse.
The second and third paragraphs are considering all shootings, not those invoking SYG (or even in states with SYG vs those without). It is, therefore, the same reflection of racial disparity in the justice system as the death penalty. Your statistic has nothing to do with SYG.
The numbers I used in the thread I linked to above, on the other hand, come from Tampa Bay Times' database of only SYG cases. In those cases there is no evidence of racial bias in white on black cases vs black on white cases.
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Thanks, Stand Your Ground! No homicide charges for teen who shot, killed man [View all]
Robb
Aug 2013
OP
waved a stick at the teens. one ran away. the other could have, but didn't. waving a stick
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#13
swinging and waving are the same action. the other teen was able to run away from the big
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#103
in principle i see a value of 'reasonable force' - that's not what i'm seeing
samsingh
Aug 2013
#149
SYG lowers the threshold for using deadly violence. It is a fucking bad law.
bluestate10
Aug 2013
#101
syg = blacks can kills blacks & whites can kill blacks. but blacks killing whites? less likely.
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#11
What's to prevent the exact same scenario from occurring under duty to retreat?
Bazinga
Aug 2013
#158
And the post that rl6214 responded to didn't contain references in publications.
Bazinga
Aug 2013
#204
Um, the raw numbers tell a different story, you don't get to make up your own facts
snooper2
Aug 2013
#200
The blog comes from your link. It is where the 11-1 figure originally comes from
hack89
Aug 2013
#60
So you do have time to go back to your original thread and show me the hard numbers
hack89
Aug 2013
#86
Some guy said ill make him trayvon 2. Some kid said f$ck you and turned the system against itself
Township75
Aug 2013
#144
I dream of an American where once again sticking wielding maniacs can safely assault teens.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#48
The link says he's going to be charged for illegal possession. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2013
#120
Awful example. A "choir director" who attacked children with a large stick?
DirkGently
Aug 2013
#132
Here's how Justice Holmes analyized self-defense in 1921 in the Brown case:
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#154
At what kind of church was he a choir director? Was it an anti-gay church?
Freddie Stubbs
Aug 2013
#195