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Fumesucker

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28. I'm responsible for my own words and that's it

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 12:32 PM

Aug 2013

I won't hold you to anyone's words but those you write too.

To be honest I'm finding this back and forth between the Obama True Believers and the Über Progressives more and more entertaining and that's fast becoming my focus more than any particular issue. I have my point of view but I can also see somewhat beyond and around it, I try not to let it blind me to any other perspective, sometimes more successfully than others.

It's long since become clear that there's rodent copulators on both sides, BetterBelieveIt was one graham4anything was another.

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Rep. John Lewis: "NO PRAISE FOR SNOWDEN-Reports about my interview with The Guardian are misleading" [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

rec'd to complete the record. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #1

Shame on them for misrepresenting Mr. Lewis. millennialmax Aug 2013 #2

I repeat: Spreading "disinformation" about or against President Obama is a core value for the kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #55

They've misrepresented everything else, why is one more thing surprising? baldguy Aug 2013 #80

From this little contretemps, we have learned, decisively, that the GUARDIAN is a stenographer for MADem Aug 2013 #83

Oh well BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #3

Scoot over. bunnies Aug 2013 #4

scooch over AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #31

Sweet! bunnies Aug 2013 #35

How did I miss this one? Rex Aug 2013 #174

Rec for accuracy riqster Aug 2013 #5

Objectively, it sounds like Lewis didn't put his own comments in context when speaking geek tragedy Aug 2013 #6

k&r avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #26

That is what it sounds like to me also nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #49

well dang hfojvt Aug 2013 #51

You obviously don't know much about John Lewis then nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #59

It wouldn't be accurate if they left out qualifying sentences or put his sentences in a different pnwmom Aug 2013 #57

Huh? Not the GUARDIAN's fault? Wasn't there a "reporter" in the room? MADem Aug 2013 #84

"The Guardian" took "Praise out of the headline", today.. what does that Cha Aug 2013 #97

I blame the Guardian. I wondered yesterday about them having Cha Aug 2013 #95

Sounds to me like they asked him a question about the March on Washington, and then they asked MADem Aug 2013 #100

That sounds exactly how it went down. freshwest Aug 2013 #162

It sounds to me like they conflated. MADem Aug 2013 #128

+1,000. There it is, one percent media darling propaganda, well paid to do so, too. freshwest Aug 2013 #163

For those that have followed � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #141

They think if you call 'em racist they know the pain of the oppressed and the yoke of slavery. freshwest Aug 2013 #165

OMG! The NSA is blackmailing John Lewis too???? Where will it end? randome Aug 2013 #7

Snowden fans at the Guardian ProSense Aug 2013 #8

Guardian has lost some credibility lately. moondust Aug 2013 #9

But � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #142

This is pure damage control Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #10

And the first True Progressive throws John Lewis under the bus! geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16

The "under the bus" accusers are the first ones to actually DO so. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #52

I said his remark was deranged treestar Aug 2013 #70

If they make him pay taxes in Russia, he'll scream he's being oppressed! freshwest Aug 2013 #166

Another good point treestar Aug 2013 #167

Actually, it's just the opposite. I'll get back to you tomorrow. freshwest Aug 2013 #186

I'm always ready to learn! treestar Aug 2013 #188

Obviously not. The only objections on DU and other Progressives sites Cha Aug 2013 #98

Have you also considered the possiblity he was misrepresented? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #126

Really? � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #143

Congressmen like to "revise and extend" their remarks. former9thward Aug 2013 #11

Without seeing the transcript, we do not know what he said. We don't know what words might have pnwmom Aug 2013 #54

Well since he did not make those charges former9thward Aug 2013 #56

It could be technically "accurate" and still leave out important context and qualifiers pnwmom Aug 2013 #58

The Reporter STUCK HIS QUESTION in the MIDDLE of what DevonRex Aug 2013 #99

Evidently Representative Lewis' Bus Position Index has now been revised to Not Under Fumesucker Aug 2013 #12

Will this get a brazillian recs? ProSense Aug 2013 #13

Predicting is hard Fumesucker Aug 2013 #15

No, he's now under the bus of the True Progressives. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #14

So you say Rep Lewis Bus Position Status has not changed and he's under the bus? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #17

He was under no bus yesterday. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #19

Who the hell would do that? Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #25

. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #27

Link doesn't work Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #29

Link works just fine. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #32

have yourself on ignore? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #39

You are needed in the Sanjay Gupta thread Fumesucker Aug 2013 #43

I'm a fan of the obvious Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #45

Obviously Fumesucker Aug 2013 #47

I'm responsible for my own words and that's it Fumesucker Aug 2013 #28

I wonder if BBI and G4A were the same person nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #37

BBI didn't tie my optic nerves in knots trying to decypher word sausage Fumesucker Aug 2013 #46

Unless BBI was the more accurate manifestation of the person's beliefs geek tragedy Aug 2013 #62

Anything is possible of course, this is the internet Fumesucker Aug 2013 #66

BBI tended to post an article and that was all treestar Aug 2013 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex Aug 2013 #104

Daffy kpete Aug 2013 #22

Here's an example why many of us would/should never do that in the first place BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #23

Nobody believed The Guardian yesterday, just like nobody believes DevonRex Aug 2013 #93

Exactly, those horrible liberals, warping everything to their viewpoint Fumesucker Aug 2013 #107

LOL. DevonRex Aug 2013 #114

You reply to a point I didn't make Fumesucker Aug 2013 #122

Does this mean the Guardian... gulp... LIED? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #18

Put their partisan spin on it nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20

What else is new? It's one step above The Daily Mail. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #33

K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #21

R#13 & K for, nothing to hmmmmm about!1 n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #24

but please, UTUSN kpete Aug 2013 #30

Sure he did. Then he stuck that question in the middle for the article. DevonRex Aug 2013 #145

Media spin is in full swing Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #34

Why the hell is Snowden still a story? djean111 Aug 2013 #36

Perhaps you missed the big "John Lewis proclaims Snowden our generation's Rosa Parks" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

I saw them. djean111 Aug 2013 #42

Takes two to tango on it. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #44

A need for heroes and villains, archetypes I think Joseph Campbell calls them Fumesucker Aug 2013 #53

Policy is boring. Requires attention to details, putting things in context, and dealing in geek tragedy Aug 2013 #63

I saw a couple of threads yesterday.. and decided not to comment Peacetrain Aug 2013 #40

A good rule of thumb to use. randome Aug 2013 #68

Hey Peacetrain~ I commented several times that Cha Aug 2013 #92

Hi Cha.. The Guardian Peacetrain Aug 2013 #144

.. Cha Aug 2013 #148

My sentiments exactly. Progressives take heed. Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #41

"if you can't do the time, don't do the crime." zeemike Aug 2013 #50

It means if you choose to do the crime, you had better be prepared to do the time. Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #69

I don't think Snoweden was suprised by it. zeemike Aug 2013 #78

Are you saying they were barred from leaving the country? Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #87

What you think the Freedom Riders rode the bus zeemike Aug 2013 #108

Missing my point... on purpose? Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #170

How was the KKK trying to shape public opinion? zeemike Aug 2013 #172

You are completely misconstruing my argument. KKK and the Freedom Riders are Juxtaposed... Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #175

"Snow den is to Ellsberg as KKK is to Freedom Riders" zeemike Aug 2013 #177

Love how you misrepresent my argument in the title line... Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #179

I misrepresented them by quoting you? zeemike Aug 2013 #180

out of context. Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #181

Yeah, it is Snowden's fault the powerful aren't held to account. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #182

But 2 months later, we are left squabbling over insufficient information... Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #183

So the not being able to hold the powerful accountable section can be nixed? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #187

It looks like "they" got to him and forced him to walk back his comments. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #48

No, it looks like the Guardian is acting more and more like the other British tabloids. pnwmom Aug 2013 #64

Considering that Lewis and everyone in his family may be under surveillance, OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #65

What an utterly deranged comment. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #73

It must hurt to be that paranoid. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #74

no brains, no headaches nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #76

LOL. millennialmax Aug 2013 #77

It hurts to reply to stupid people. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #151

Take it to "Creative Speculation" if you don't want to be challenged. emulatorloo Aug 2013 #168

prosecution for what? treestar Aug 2013 #75

"Someone" made her plead guilty for taking bribes? BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #79

These are the same idiots who think that John Lewis is easily intimidated nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #86

I see the crew is out and about to call you crazy. zeemike Aug 2013 #82

The claim that the Obama administration is threatening to put John Lewis's family geek tragedy Aug 2013 #85

It's Insulting to Congressman Lewis and shows(once again) Cha Aug 2013 #106

Ah, the crew. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #152

I'll bet that's true - the spooks got to him. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #89

I'll bet only crazy people agree with you that John Lewis is lying because geek tragedy Aug 2013 #116

That was my first thought, as well. woo me with science Aug 2013 #96

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #115

The immediate resort to namecalling woo me with science Aug 2013 #136

Heh, you question John Lewis's integrity and courage and then geek tragedy Aug 2013 #138

Oh, my. woo me with science Aug 2013 #150

Oh yeah, more paranoid conspiracy theories from the snowden crowd. Cha Aug 2013 #101

No, it's a matter of simple logic re: motives. woo me with science Aug 2013 #110

The MOTIVE is the slimy Guardian reporter USED an interview with DevonRex Aug 2013 #119

That slimeball reporter got in the door by saying he wanted to interview him about the fiftieth MADem Aug 2013 #124

GMTA. I just wrote a long post saying that. DevonRex Aug 2013 #127

Yep--they GAMED the guy, they lied about the purpose of the interview (March on Washington) and MADem Aug 2013 #129

Lewis is not claiming the quotes were fabricated. He's saying they were taken out of context geek tragedy Aug 2013 #120

What's OOC is the QUESTION. The reporter stuck it in where it DevonRex Aug 2013 #135

I think the "they" here is Democrats burnodo Aug 2013 #103

Amazing how you people throw John Lewis under the bus, call him a liar, and then geek tragedy Aug 2013 #118

So why did he walk back his comments? burnodo Aug 2013 #147

He didn't "walk back" a thing BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #157

Under the bus Lewis goes? ecstatic Aug 2013 #133

No, see reply #184 n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #185

Are you saying he is a liar? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #134

No this certainly does not rise to that level. He is a man of totodeinhere Aug 2013 #184

As The Guardian Spins~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #60

"The Guardian" and "misleading" in the same sentence? Quelle Surprise! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #61

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #67

i agree some of the news reports made him sound more supportive than he was Enrique Aug 2013 #72

Oh dear--I said this yesterday, and was personally insulted for comprehending the obvious. MADem Aug 2013 #81

You will largely hear crickets from the insulting, attack crowd. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #105

Never mind that the "reporter" (I use quotes because that's debatable) wasn't interviewing Rep Lewis MADem Aug 2013 #112

Hey move over.. Cha Aug 2013 #109

I knew he was going to correct the record. I just didn't know how. MADem Aug 2013 #111

Thank goodness in a way that this has been Cha Aug 2013 #113

These same morons are now claiming that Lewis is lying and that the reason geek tragedy Aug 2013 #117

Anyone who has ever been in the presence of John Lewis knows that's a bullshit argument! MADem Aug 2013 #121

Trolls, all of them. Seriously, anyone who talks that kind of shit about John Lewis is geek tragedy Aug 2013 #123

Certainly not walking the "progressive" walk, at a minimum...! nt MADem Aug 2013 #125

We've been chatting about this in the AA forum. I'm surprised you weren't there! Number23 Aug 2013 #130

I'll get over there--I said it yesterday; I knew Lewis wasn't jumping on the Yeah Eddie bandwagon. MADem Aug 2013 #131

Freaky--a double post--I rarely see those in DU3...happened all the time in DU2... MADem Aug 2013 #131

"Claim a Negro" is exactly right. I guess the "I have a Black friend" and the "Cornel West msanthrope Aug 2013 #137

Somebody tried to "invoke" Corny too! Thread sank like a damn stone. Number23 Aug 2013 #146

The ODS of the emoprogs has never been shriller and funnier--I can only imagine the msanthrope Aug 2013 #149

Interesting. blackspade Aug 2013 #88

It was The Guardian. Anyone with half a brain CELL knew Lewis DevonRex Aug 2013 #90

Never said what? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #91

Never said: ProSense Aug 2013 #94

Thank you for posting this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #102

Let's see... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #139

Don�t Ya Just Hate � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #140

Don't you just love it... Cha Aug 2013 #156

It's becoming ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #161

" It's becoming .. " Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #164

John Lewis is a hero of mine. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #153

I wonder who talked to him and what they said. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #154

Looks Like The Party Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #155

No. Looks like the Guardian engages in "yellow journalism" and gullible folks bought it. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #158

You're new to politics, aren't you? Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #159

No and you're naive about propaganda. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #160

Quite the opposite. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #169

I don't subscribe to woo conspiracy theories or their purveyors. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #171

Some can't understand the difference between supporting reform and Snowden. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #176

Exactly. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #178

Well well well... Rex Aug 2013 #173