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In reply to the discussion: An overlooked A-bomb issue: the wait-a-couple-weeks argument [View all]sofa king
(10,857 posts)49. Definitely not a consideration.
Anyone who hasn't seen it yet will likely enjoy and be horrified by the selection of attitudes and actions depicted in the documentary film The Atomic Cafe, now available on Youtube:
In that film you'll see the Americans happily marching into bomb blasts and "protecting" sailors on irradiated ships with a few coats of lead paint. We simply had no idea whatsoever about the long-term, uh, fallout that results from the use of nuclear weapons.
At roughly the 53:30 mark is an outstanding example of how full of shit we all were about this. I believe the test you mention, hunter, was Operation Plumbbob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob
That ignorance persisted long after World War II. When it began to be dimly understood, top brass immediately began to consider how radiation could be used as an area denial weapon. MacArthur proposed creating a "hot zone" along the North Korean border to keep the Chinese out, never guessing that all that radioactive dust would descend right on top of the American logistic facilities in Japan, and of course all of the Japanese.
Edit: It is also worth mentioning that the entire object of Soviet expansion in Asia, from Iran to Japan, from 1941 to 1989, was purely focused upon the acquisition of warm-water port facilities. Hokkaido doesn't quite fit the bill, but right across the straight is Honshu, and halfway down its length is the prize the Soviets dearly coveted: Tokyo. Considering that the Soviets were stupid enough to hit Afghanistan simply because it was one step closer to the Indian Ocean, it's no reach to guess that instead of a Korean war, there would have been a massive, probably nuclear, conflict on the Yamato plains, with the Americans operating at the end of a 3000-mile long logistic chain (recall also that we did not win the Korean War).
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heaven forfend that we should discuss possible alternatives in such a horrific event.
niyad
Aug 2013
#3
Rape of Nanking. Heaven forbid that we should discuss possible alternatives in
Nanjing to Seoul
Aug 2013
#14
is it so hard to understand that the possible alternatives discussion reference should have happened
niyad
Aug 2013
#31
The world had gone through WWI and now less than thirty years later was engulfed in another war
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#9
The targeting documents are dry reading, like most military documents, but are available
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#60
I appreciate that you're not echoing the tired "save American lives" meme, but....
Jim Lane
Aug 2013
#25
Thanks for responding. I've based my arguments on primary sources, hence contradictions.
Bucky
Aug 2013
#36
I have often wondered what the ramifications of waiting for a Soviet invasion were
Lee-Lee
Aug 2013
#34
Sure, wait the additional time if you know that yet another powerful nation will declare war.
Jim Lane
Aug 2013
#38
Regardless - the indiscriminate slaughter and maiming of tens of thousands with one bomb is amoral
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#66