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Savannahmann

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10. But they aren't excluding Americans talking with Americans
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:23 PM
Aug 2013

Just because the email bounces out of the country doesn't mean it is going to a foreigner. You could be talking to a friend in another town in the same state, but due to data snafu's and server load the message could be routed out of the country and back in. Also, the person you are talking to could well be an American living and working overseas.

The problem here is not the justification, it is the action. But for the sake of argument, let's say I am talking to a foreigner. Let's say I am talking to an old friend I met years ago working a job, who was born in and has returned to Aruba. If I was in Aruba talking with this person, the authorities would not be justified to listen to the conversation. If we were both sitting in a café in New York, same thing.

Geographic location is the lamest of excuses. But it is interesting to watch the progression of arguments. They go from it's not happening, which we were told it wasn't more than once, to it's justified and legal, to it's old news in record time.

Keep defending, because the sum or all these stories is going to see public disgust with Washington reach new levels, and here is the bad part. The first party that comes out and makes restoration of Civil Rights their platform, wins. Now we Democrats seem bound and determined to chase this crap down the hole, while Rand Paul seems to understand the truth of this. Do you realize if he campaigns that he will stop it that he will be elected in 2016? So then what? Will we become the obstructionist party by defending the indefensible? Or will we finally see the light when it is far too late to do us any good?

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But Obama said there's no spying on Americans leftstreet Aug 2013 #1
There's not. They're spying on the foreign person the US citizen is talking with Recursion Aug 2013 #4
Remember when the NSA spying "on the foreign person the US citizen is talking with" rhett o rick Aug 2013 #6
That's not how the double bump works Recursion Aug 2013 #7
Do you believe the NSA should have any regulation and oversight? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #8
Significantly more than it does Recursion Aug 2013 #14
Well shit then, the NSA must look at all of my e-mail because of some smuck from Nigeria mrdmk Aug 2013 #35
That's more State's bag Recursion Aug 2013 #36
How do you think it works? Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #27
Or the foreign person the US citizen is talking *about* cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #9
The US person still has to be talking *to* a non-US person Recursion Aug 2013 #17
That's a lie, and you know it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #37
But they aren't excluding Americans talking with Americans Savannahmann Aug 2013 #10
Yes, they are. One party has to be outside of the US Recursion Aug 2013 #16
They only extract the info on the foreign person's end? leftstreet Aug 2013 #20
It's the same info on both sides, so the distinction isn't terribly meaningful (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #23
But they're not getting it on the American end, right? leftstreet Aug 2013 #24
That is my understanding, yes Recursion Aug 2013 #25
You say they are not? From the OP: ljm2002 Aug 2013 #22
You're mixing up two questions Recursion Aug 2013 #26
What exactly does that mean anyway? Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #2
It sounds like another crack in the wall. morningfog Aug 2013 #3
What doesn't make sense about it? Recursion Aug 2013 #5
NSA doesn't start here in the states Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #11
Yes, I would have to be emailing a friend in another country Recursion Aug 2013 #18
Can they do it without a warrant? treestar Aug 2013 #12
I doubt the average American fits any of this criteria. millennialmax Aug 2013 #13
So privacy is only for "average" Americans now? Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #19
The NSA has always been tasked with international communications MineralMan Aug 2013 #15
But ... Koios Aug 2013 #30
Oops ... just learned ... Koios Aug 2013 #31
No human even sees your emails. MineralMan Aug 2013 #32
But my private communication is ... Koios Aug 2013 #33
OK. MineralMan Aug 2013 #34
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #21
So what happens when all net traffic is bounced off servers located outside the US? DJ13 Aug 2013 #28
More lies uncovered. morningfog Aug 2013 #29
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