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SoCalDem

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16. Just a shell game to fund the wallstreet gamblers with money so they could play with it
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:39 PM
Aug 2013

Retirement income USED to be considered a 3-legged stool.

Defined benefit Pension (usually WITH health care)
Personal Savings
Social Security

401-k REPLACED pension
LOW interest & low wages KILLED savings growth
Social security stands alone (for now)

There was a time when the ONLY mention of anything Wall Streetish was relegated to the back pages of the newspapers, and was only read by those-in-the-know.

Ordinary folks had savings accounts and the occasional certificate of deposit
Some people occasionally bought stock in a particular company if they had a few extra bucks
They took LESS wages at review time to BOLSTER their retirement pension

401-ks were a con game from the get-go, and at the time they were created the media was awash with all the wunderkind stock broker-ish people who became millionaires.. there was "Dallas" & "Falcon Crest" & the movie "Wall Street".. Credit cards flooded the market & everyone thought riches were just around the corner for them too.. It was the era of Mad-Crazy Instant Wealth, and who wanted a stodgy old fashioned pension like Grandpa had, if your could invest like the big-guys and become rich?

It was just another bubble..and it's popped..

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401(K)s Are A Sham - Salon [View all] WillyT Aug 2013 OP
A Million bucks and 30 years of retirement Bennyboy Aug 2013 #1
At age 66, a million bucks will buy a $70K annuity Major Nikon Aug 2013 #14
How about one $130,000 hospital bill that's not quite covered by insurance? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
One of my friends is a tax accountant and he says that annuities are a very, very bad investment. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #28
Having lived mostly in this country for most of 60 years, about the jtuck004 Aug 2013 #33
I wouldn't say that Major Nikon Aug 2013 #35
Many are very fee heavy maui902 Aug 2013 #54
That's what Medicare supplemental catastrophic plans are for Major Nikon Aug 2013 #34
The government insures the return? If the underlying assets go to crap? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #38
Every state has a guarantee association (SGA) which insures qualified annuities Major Nikon Aug 2013 #40
So if the company fails, there is no federal guarantee, but I could depend on the State of Texas? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #41
No state SGA would ever be allowed to fail Major Nikon Aug 2013 #42
Sounds like a sales pitch. Good luck. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #43
Except for this part... Major Nikon Aug 2013 #44
AIG. Remember them? Texas company, thousands of annuities and life insurnace holders screwed jtuck004 Aug 2013 #46
Not even one policy holder was screwed and none were ever at risk at any time Major Nikon Aug 2013 #49
The fucking insurance commissioner was about to place them in receivership, unless you want to jtuck004 Aug 2013 #50
I have done quite well with my 401k. But I still have a Defined Benefit Pension for most of my doc03 Aug 2013 #2
me too... spanone Aug 2013 #3
My 401k (now IRA) would give me about 60% of my DB pension doc03 Aug 2013 #8
My parents have 401Ks and have also done very well. Incitatus Aug 2013 #56
The New Low Wage Part Time Economy By The GOP Won't Fund LIfe Let Alone A 401K TheMastersNemesis Aug 2013 #4
I shook my head zipplewrath Aug 2013 #5
If you have a Defined Benifit Pension Plan it is insured doc03 Aug 2013 #6
For 40 cents on the dollar zipplewrath Aug 2013 #7
You must have one hellofa pension the maximum benifit is like doc03 Aug 2013 #10
Health care zipplewrath Aug 2013 #12
Umm, we didn't "give it up easily" MindPilot Aug 2013 #17
Yeah, it was a broad brush zipplewrath Aug 2013 #19
Combined with stagnated wages, rising expenses and an anemic stock market failure is assured. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #9
401(k): peace of mind for people who don't understand math Recursion Aug 2013 #11
All at once? zipplewrath Aug 2013 #13
One way or another, we have to transfer $2.5 trillion from workers to retirees over the next 20 yrs Recursion Aug 2013 #15
Where do you think pension funds put their money? philosslayer Aug 2013 #36
They're almost as bad. SS is the only sensible way to do it Recursion Aug 2013 #39
Just a shell game to fund the wallstreet gamblers with money so they could play with it SoCalDem Aug 2013 #16
Mine are doing nicely, thank you brooklynite Aug 2013 #18
uh....what choice? jeff47 Aug 2013 #27
401K works for me thetonka Aug 2013 #20
"trust our government to provide for you"?! MindPilot Aug 2013 #21
I've been paying into SS since 1969 KansDem Aug 2013 #31
I interpreted thetonka's post as a piece of advice maui902 Aug 2013 #55
Exactly thetonka Aug 2013 #61
There's a reason this is finally being reported openly. mn9driver Aug 2013 #22
Stumbled upon tax liens recently, as an investment tool. toby jo Aug 2013 #24
K&R abelenkpe Aug 2013 #25
In the days of Retirement with 50yrs seniority, that is true One_Life_To_Give Aug 2013 #26
Kicking for later! arcane1 Aug 2013 #29
Yes, let's give all our money to Wall Street for safekeeping. tinrobot Aug 2013 #30
Thanks for posting! This is another reason I hate Snowden SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #32
Trickle down economics destroyed American pensions. Rex Aug 2013 #37
For some strange reason, onethatcares Aug 2013 #45
They get ya coming in and going out. Rex Aug 2013 #47
Me too. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #59
That's why I prefer the ROTH Fla_Democrat Aug 2013 #48
I was saying that over 30 years ago they were junk duffyduff Aug 2013 #51
A pension that lasts as long as a person lives is FAR, FAR better duffyduff Aug 2013 #52
kr HiPointDem Aug 2013 #53
The article is full of inaccuracies.... Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #57
Here's how they all suck. jeff47 Aug 2013 #58
There are several problems with 401ks. DCBob Aug 2013 #60
K&R cprise Aug 2013 #62
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