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Catherina

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23. 1 more thing. NSA can search your emails for talking *about* a target, not just talking *to*
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:43 PM
Aug 2013

Thanks Bigtree! One more thing

Trevor Timm ‏@trevortimm 3h

Key to this NYT story: NSA can search your emails for talking *about* a target, not just talking *to* a target http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/us/broader-sifting-of-data-abroad-is-seen-by-nsa.html?hp&_r=0&pagewanted=all

Hints of the surveillance appeared in a set of rules, leaked by Mr. Snowden, for how the N.S.A. may carry out the 2008 FISA law. One paragraph mentions that the agency “seeks to acquire communications about the target that are not to or from the target.” The pages were posted online by the newspaper The Guardian on June 20, but the telltale paragraph, the only rule marked “Top Secret” amid 18 pages of restrictions, went largely overlooked amid other disclosures.

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Timothy Edgar, a former intelligence official in the Bush and Obama administrations, said that the rule concerning collection “about” a person targeted for surveillance rather than directed at that person had provoked significant internal discussion.

“There is an ambiguity in the law about what it means to ‘target’ someone,” Mr. Edgar, now a visiting professor at Brown, said. “You can never intentionally target someone inside the United States. Those are the words we were looking at. We were most concerned about making sure the procedures only target communications that have one party outside the United States.”

The rule they ended up writing, which was secretly approved by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, says that the N.S.A. must ensure that one of the participants in any conversation that is acquired when it is searching for conversations about a targeted foreigner must be outside the United States, so that the surveillance is technically directed at the foreign end.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/us/broader-sifting-of-data-abroad-is-seen-by-nsa.html?hp&_r=0&pagewanted=all

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We do its called SOCIAL MEDIA... Historic NY Aug 2013 #1
I'm sure there's been a line on me long before the clicking became mainstream bigtree Aug 2013 #3
This comment is so sad because it demonstrates how successful the 'grooming' of citizens sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22
Yep, they are screwed, did it to themselves too. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #2
They'll insist this still isn't proof LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #4
This article is about ProSense Aug 2013 #5
it's clear enough to me, ProSense, how this program is being described bigtree Aug 2013 #7
Congress is ProSense Aug 2013 #10
very good points; especially 'Congress' and their responsibility to lead bigtree Aug 2013 #12
"Big Tree"...this is an important Rant from you.... KoKo Aug 2013 #6
It's a surprising rant. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #8
Where is Bigtree, and what have you done with him? leftstreet Aug 2013 #9
Thanks for the post. Bookmarking. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #11
The Stazi didn't call it spying Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #13
So every time I send an e-mail or a FaceBook message to a friend in Argentina, Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #14
This is where the weasel parsing comes in Catherina Aug 2013 #15
rec read this ^^^ bigtree Aug 2013 #17
1 more thing. NSA can search your emails for talking *about* a target, not just talking *to* Catherina Aug 2013 #23
rules?! They don't need no steeekin' rules! bigtree Aug 2013 #26
Recommend. KoKo Aug 2013 #19
that's the start alc Aug 2013 #16
rec, continue reading alc's summary ^^^ bigtree Aug 2013 #18
Recommend. KoKo Aug 2013 #20
+1000. Thank you n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #24
They're going to store it and read it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #28
It was disappointing that he used the word "Spying".. KoKo Aug 2013 #21
Great post! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #25
K&R nt Zorra Aug 2013 #27
today's presser bigtree Aug 2013 #29
He thought he said "pieing", as we do not hit people with pies...of course. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #30
NYT bigtree Aug 2013 #31
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