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CakeGrrl

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31. Thus is the hysteria around protecting Snowden.

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 06:38 PM

Aug 2013

It's not possible in some minds to think that Lewis could actually RETRACT the notion that Snowden is on par with MLK or Parks or Gandhi.

Because to them, he is.

And we've seen how some of the Snowden defenders go after other DUers who think he should be accountable for his lawbreaking. And I don't buy the 'both sides do it' crap. The namecalls are pretty unidirectional: Idiots, Stasi State Supporters, NSA Apologists, Coulter-ish, quislings, and so on and so on.

And some of those same people had the nerve to speculate (PROJECT) that Lewis would be thrown under the bus when the first article was released.

And then THEY proceeded to do it: Imply that Lewis, who STOOD UP TO THE JIM CROW TERRORISTS, must have been intimidated into retracting his Snowden praise.

Ridiculous.

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It's amazing that John Lewis can be so easily insulted by people hiding behind keyboards. [View all] geek tragedy Aug 2013 OP

Your joking right? William769 Aug 2013 #1

I know. Misogyny: check. Homophobia and transphobia: check. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2

No argument from me. William769 Aug 2013 #7

+1 on the post; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #94

should have raised that one explicitly, thx. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #96

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #98

You and me both! greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #13

lol Cha Aug 2013 #21

It's sad what's become of this place mcar Aug 2013 #89

true in both directions Enrique Aug 2013 #3

What's funny is that Lewis is very much on the progressive side regarding NSA and Spying. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #6

Agreed on all points. Guardian made an ass of themselves on this one. morningfog Aug 2013 #17

IMHO sheshe2 Aug 2013 #52

Let's add Lewis' statement: ProSense Aug 2013 #45

" In fact, The Guardian itself agreed to retract the word �praise� from its headline. " ucrdem Aug 2013 #47

you forgot to add this from the same link Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #58

What does another excuse from the Guardian have to do with Lewis' statement? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #61

his statement does help your agenda Enrique Aug 2013 #63

You think his statement is designed to drive an "agenda"? ProSense Aug 2013 #64

no, his statement was designed to clarify what he meant Enrique Aug 2013 #83

+ 1 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #102

MEEEOOW. Your statement Does Not "help your agenda". Cha Aug 2013 #124

Bear in mind Alan Grayson came on DU and got pretty thoroughly flamed Fumesucker Aug 2013 #4

1) I have loads of respect for Alan Grayson nowadays; 2) Alan Grayson is no John Lewis. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #8

John Lewis did not post on DU under his own name Fumesucker Aug 2013 #10

Grayson's a flame warrior himself. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #12

So Grayson came on flaming other DUers? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #16

No, but a guy with a reputation for mixing it up and throwing bombs is more likely geek tragedy Aug 2013 #18

We both know that's not why Grayson got flamed to his "face" here on DU Fumesucker Aug 2013 #26

I missed that Recursion Aug 2013 #39

If you can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen Fumesucker Aug 2013 #57

With the nonsense Grayson/his staffer spouted, it was very well deserved. tritsofme Aug 2013 #79

Yes, of course, any opinion which differs from your own is nonsense Fumesucker Aug 2013 #81

Tacitly comparing the Obama administration to "Nazi Germany" = nonsense tritsofme Aug 2013 #82

N/T JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #5

Agreed, but everyone in this country has benefitted from his sacrifices. Some don't konw that yet. freshwest Aug 2013 #137

One day Lewis is one of the greatest heroes the country has ever seen Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #9

When I said this place had been overrun by the Ron Paul crowd, I was not kidding. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #11

People who would speak ill of Snowden are simply a waste of time. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #23

Snowden himself is unfocused. pnwmom Aug 2013 #30

"He should have kept the focus on US internal surveillance." morningfog Aug 2013 #41

So? Snowden says it does exist. So he should focus on proving that pnwmom Aug 2013 #69

I'm just not as interested in Snowden as I am in the problems that the internal surveillance present JDPriestly Aug 2013 #119

So, John Lewis is "simply a waste of time?" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #33

&You caught that too? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #99

The issue isn't Snowden. The issue is the surveillance program and the concentration of power JDPriestly Aug 2013 #120

How dare anyone speak ill of Snowden Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #34

No. It's not about Snowden. And I think that is the point that John Lewis is trying to make. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #121

I'd Love To See... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #141

Wow. Are you missing a sarcasm thingy? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #44

Because I think that the point that John Lewis is making, the important point is that we JDPriestly Aug 2013 #122

Wow - The block function was made for people like you Politicub Aug 2013 #65

Enjoy. Ignorance is bliss. The block function removes ideas that are unpleasant, concepts JDPriestly Aug 2013 #123

"Overrun" is exactly right. You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #86

Source of charges that fact posting DUers are government paid shills, huh? freshwest Aug 2013 #136

Exactly. They hate "blue links". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #150

Speak for yourself. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #118

Overrun is right.. and at least a couple of them have bitten the big Pizza Cha Aug 2013 #125

Where is the criticism? former9thward Aug 2013 #24

In a later statement, Lewis said that that report of his remarks was misleading and out of context. pnwmom Aug 2013 #32

He is free to add what is left out. former9thward Aug 2013 #37

He did that in his second statement, saying the Guardian report was misleading. Did you read it? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #67

Yes I read it. former9thward Aug 2013 #71

It's not a condemnation of Snowden. And it's not nominating him for sainthood, either. pnwmom Aug 2013 #75

But ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #100

he's paying a price. exile. you can't do something illegal and not pay a price. unless you're a HiPointDem Aug 2013 #114

BULLSHIT ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #147

bullshit yourself. he didn't freely chose to live in russia. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #148

LOL! As IF he couldn't havce flown to South America from Hawaii. DevonRex Aug 2013 #158

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #166

He got called back home to Mat' Rossiya. DevonRex Aug 2013 #157

Yes, they thought that he'd already paid the price... poor thing.. Cha Aug 2013 #126

but, not yesterday when it was said that JL thought.. "snowden was like Ghandi".. Cha Aug 2013 #28

One DUer said that was "deranged" and "insane": muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #134

Same thing happened to Naomi Wolfe. She had the audacity to question Snowie's declarations. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #84

We know you worship the ground Gen Alexander walks on. Booz-Allen uber alles. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117

LMAO. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #152

If it wasn't so insulting to a great man, it'd be hilarious. It's a slur by media who never cared. freshwest Aug 2013 #135

John Lewis is an incredible man. I had the privilege to hear him speak and meet morningfog Aug 2013 #14

+1000 nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

Agreed. William769 Aug 2013 #20

Thank you. I am in awe of him. I love seeing others DevonRex Aug 2013 #159

don't know much about John Lewis. If he has done the things you say he has done, he does indeed liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #19

John Lewis: geek tragedy Aug 2013 #29

I have a great deal of respect for civil rights leaders. I think it is that kind of action we need liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #36

That's perfectly okay. No need to agree with him. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

The Guardian used our Civil Rights Hero for their own ends. DevonRex Aug 2013 #22

"Many did lose their lives. None ran." Because none ran..."support came from around the nation." SunSeeker Aug 2013 #48

Thank you. We owe so much to John Lewis and The Big Six. DevonRex Aug 2013 #68

Another excellent point: "He could have bought a plane ticket straight to South America from Hawaii" SunSeeker Aug 2013 #72

Because he's not doing this for the good of Americans. DevonRex Aug 2013 #76

They dare to compare... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #88

I just emailed a V.P. at The Guardian U.S. DevonRex Aug 2013 #93

Devon, that was an excellent idea! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #97

I will. She had been at MoveOn before this. DevonRex Aug 2013 #101

No, I'd say it's hurt it.. we'll see to what extent. nm Cha Aug 2013 #130

Seems like some people are more than willing to DevonRex Aug 2013 #151

Yes but, .. Reading other Democratic Websites and Cha Aug 2013 #155

Good. I need to go to those. I am in a rut. DevonRex Aug 2013 #156

Good you got a reply, Devon.. and thank you so much for contacting Cha Aug 2013 #163

Thanks, Cha. DevonRex Aug 2013 #164

Exactly, Devon.. who knew we'd we Cha Aug 2013 #165

And to promote a Libertarian Paul supporter who doesn't believe in anything Lewis did. freshwest Aug 2013 #140

Thank you for those historic photos of John Lewis, she! Cha Aug 2013 #129

Thank you for this research and compilation on Rep John Lewis and Cha Aug 2013 #128

Wait, so has there been an update to the obvious "massaging" of Lewis' quotes re: Snowden? Number23 Aug 2013 #25

Just saw this: ucrdem Aug 2013 #35

Thanks and I just saw the kpete thread on it too. Number23 Aug 2013 #50

Shameless aren't they. ucrdem Aug 2013 #53

It's not just them. As I said in the other thread, yesterday was Claim a Negro day here Number23 Aug 2013 #56

ODS knows no rhyme or reason. ucrdem Aug 2013 #60

+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #143

+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #138

Wow. They added a lot to his remarks. Disgusting. freshwest Aug 2013 #142

Fresh, email the Guardian. I did. DevonRex Aug 2013 #161

K&R! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #27

Thus is the hysteria around protecting Snowden. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #31

Lewis' quote never made the suggestion that Snowden was on par with morningfog Aug 2013 #46

No, Parks and MLK weren't mentioned CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #49

I'll take it straight on. morningfog Aug 2013 #54

The Guardian didn't fuck up. ucrdem Aug 2013 #55

Email The Guardian U.S. I did. I emailed a V.P. DevonRex Aug 2013 #162

I believe Lewis deferred on criminality: CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #80

John Lewis is a hero harrylimelives999 Aug 2013 #40

I saw that. Well, that's what happens when lilly white libertarian nutjobs geek tragedy Aug 2013 #43

I always picture an army of Neidermeyers or Marmalards typing away freshwest Aug 2013 #145

OMG! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #87

They were either stupid teenagers or racists saying that. DevonRex Aug 2013 #95

There's "shedding blood for equality the hard way" and then there's HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #112

Wow, the stupid has eaten their collective brain away on that one.. Cha Aug 2013 #131

Oh, FFS! The Cult is going crazy! freshwest Aug 2013 #144

Trust the Guardian to twist the truth to suit their sinister purposes. ucrdem Aug 2013 #42

Their desperation to keep Snowden in hero status, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #59

They print any damn thing that suits their purposes ucrdem Aug 2013 #62

He certainly is ucrdem! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #66

Perfect pic! ucrdem Aug 2013 #70

I had forgotten that.. mahalo, for the pic of PBO giving John Lewis the P M of F, she! Cha Aug 2013 #132

And what news media do you support? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #153

Hiding behind keyboards emboldens the CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #51

Hiding behind keyboards? Aren't we all using keyboards? How else are we going totodeinhere Aug 2013 #73

I do hide behind a keyboard. I also have the basic decency geek tragedy Aug 2013 #90

Please provide a few links to where DU'ers were calling Lewis a "liar" and a "coward" Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #74

not to call anybody out hfojvt Aug 2013 #85

See this thread for the geek tragedy Aug 2013 #91

Thanks for the link JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #139

Thank you! I grew up in Atlanta and he was my congressman at that time. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #77

I'm often on opposite sides from you on various policy disputes, but on this you and I HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #78

Lewis is one of the few human beings on the planet who geek tragedy Aug 2013 #92

K & R Just Saying Aug 2013 #103

Thank goodness Meta is back Union Scribe Aug 2013 #104

I'm not scolding any lefties. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #105

I'm not sure why everyone is loosing their minds over either blackspade Aug 2013 #106

Lewis supports Snowden's cause, but isn't the hugest fan of Snowden. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #108

And I totally support Lewis, Grayson, and any others that are blackspade Aug 2013 #109

According to Paul Lewis, John Lewis' office told him that they have no complaint about the article totodeinhere Aug 2013 #116

This whole thread is one big flame fest. DU's version of a B-29 raid on Tokyo. So is the original leveymg Aug 2013 #107

Rep Lewis has called out the Guardian for grossly misrepresenting him. Called them out but good. ucrdem Aug 2013 #110

I looked at the other thread and saw nothing but the usual suspects jump on one mildly misplaced leveymg Aug 2013 #111

John Lewis knows oppression better than any armchair freedom fighter. izzybeans Aug 2013 #113

+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #146

It's ridiculous Oilwellian Aug 2013 #115

Rep John Lewis is very clear in what he says on his gov website.. Cha Aug 2013 #133

John Lewis is a hero. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #127

K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #149

Personally... I Loved What Lewis Had To Say... WillyT Aug 2013 #154

Aren't you the person who called Daniel Ellsberg a "wacko extremist ideologue"? Marr Aug 2013 #160