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AndyA

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123. Ask any relative who lost a loved one to gun violence that question.

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 12:04 PM

Aug 2013

How were the rights of the innocent people killed with guns protected? Shouldn't they be protected as vigorously as the 2A rights? Shouldn't steps be taken to do everything possible to ensure their safety? Yes, but that is not the case. 2A rights trump all others, it seems.

You never know who's going to walk in someplace "blasting away." In the blink of an eye, everything changes, and it can't be reversed. Better to err on the side of caution than be thankful that the vast majority make it home with their guns and their life. There are many who don't.

That's going to be it from me in this discussion. I've learned it's a waste of time communicating with low post count, non-star members. Many have an agenda, and it's to disrupt. If that's not your situation, I'm sorry but I just don't have time.

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You might want to avoid Starbucks today [View all] BainsBane Aug 2013 OP

Jeezus. Can these people do anything that doesn't involve humping their guns? Sheldon Cooper Aug 2013 #1

I don't think so! JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #2

Some of us like Starbucks coffee. Bake Aug 2013 #167

Seriously? JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #180

I've had expresso on the Champs d'Elysee in Paris. Bake Aug 2013 #181

Nope! It doesn't make me feel superior JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #185

Evidently having coffee is the kind of life threatening situation BainsBane Aug 2013 #3

The biggest danger at Starbucks leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #33

Wow BainsBane Aug 2013 #36

Oh, I wasn't in any danger at all. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #38

That is the thing about Starbucks BainsBane Aug 2013 #105

But ask them when they will fight against weapons restrictions at airports Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #4

That's an ongoing area of legislation. Many airports let you carry in the non-secure area Recursion Aug 2013 #6

Who goes to the nonsecure area of an airport BainsBane Aug 2013 #7

People picking up and dropping off loved ones. Also people who like Cinnabon or Michael Crichton Recursion Aug 2013 #9

You can't even meet people in airports like you used to BainsBane Aug 2013 #11

I prefer to park and pay $2.00 every 20 minutes, Fuddnik Aug 2013 #43

The day I pickup my wife curbside... Sotf Aug 2013 #101

Well, let's assume a Tsunami isn't breaking BainsBane Aug 2013 #104

I will always park... Sotf Aug 2013 #108

I respect that BainsBane Aug 2013 #109

Awww... Welcome to DU, Sotf! calimary Aug 2013 #121

I hope the guy in that car got Bay Boy Aug 2013 #301

You can meet them at the carousel to help with any checked baggage. Jenoch Aug 2013 #106

Tampa International has the best set-up. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #120

I have not been to an airport with free parking in a long time. Jenoch Aug 2013 #128

In other words, there are "secure" places where they can't take weapons. Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #67

Stupid tools do what they are told Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #5

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ hlthe2b Aug 2013 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author reflection Aug 2013 #26

But they are mucho macho, don'tcha know? leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #35

I thought... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #17

no - that is the result of ignorance and paranoia Skittles Aug 2013 #286

"Starbucks has an open policy regarding weapons at its establishments." Jenoch Aug 2013 #8

any business has the right to refuse to allow weapons in their establishment BainsBane Aug 2013 #10

Huh? What are you talking about? Jenoch Aug 2013 #97

Because GUN NUTS feel the need to carry their penis substitutes anywhere Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #155

I'm certainly glad I'm not a gun nut. Jenoch Aug 2013 #163

Now that was a thoughtfull, well reasoned comment. tumtum Aug 2013 #165

It's the way I truly feel, and I notice that you do not even try to contradict it Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #297

Even in Texas the law allows a business to declare itself a gun-free zone Recursion Aug 2013 #12

It's inconceivable to me that a business owner wouldn't have that right BainsBane Aug 2013 #13

Yeah, I can't think of a jursidiction where that isn't allowed Recursion Aug 2013 #15

Starbucks can choose to restrict guns. They simply don't see the need to. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #16

Is my post being misunderstood on this thread? Jenoch Aug 2013 #102

Yeah, I thought I was agreeing with you Recursion Aug 2013 #114

WINNER. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #40

FAIL BainsBane Aug 2013 #46

Yeah so? No law in amsterdam requires a property owner to allow people to smoke. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #52

Have you read enough of these posts to understand where you misunderstood? Jenoch Aug 2013 #117

Your FAIL. oneshooter Aug 2013 #242

Weird TransitJohn Aug 2013 #14

It all started with an anti-gun boycott drive against Starbucks hack89 Aug 2013 #18

Pretty much one mention of talking about guns Lordquinton Aug 2013 #64

Since gun violence has been steadily falling for 20 years and is at historic lows hack89 Aug 2013 #65

Not really Lordquinton Aug 2013 #79

But if there is not evidence that it leads to more violence hack89 Aug 2013 #103

I see... the "protesters" are predicating their actions on that of another failed action. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #90

These are not protests. hack89 Aug 2013 #95

Yeah, 8 zillion gun nuts did a buy-cott and tipped with $2 bills mwrguy Aug 2013 #210

More "ammunition" to simply detest "gunnners"... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #19

Be honest - you don't need "ammunition" hack89 Aug 2013 #28

Unlike extremist gunners, I surely don't harbor fantasies of murdering others... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #34

I agree that people harboring fantasies of murder hack89 Aug 2013 #37

It was trending up in 2011 Gore1FL Aug 2013 #75

There are always short term trends in either direction hack89 Aug 2013 #100

Next thing you know she'll be buying a gun and a target BainsBane Aug 2013 #71

Hmm...does anyone know the name of this facebook page? canuckledragger Aug 2013 #20

Yup BainsBane Aug 2013 #22

Thanks for the link canuckledragger Aug 2013 #83

I saw a goat reference BainsBane Aug 2013 #87

The first Time I saw the goat meme thing canuckledragger Aug 2013 #124

Interesting BainsBane Aug 2013 #129

What a revolting group on that FB page Just Saying Aug 2013 #91

I'm not nearly as good of a person as you BainsBane Aug 2013 #96

LOL! That page is priceless. BTW there's a poll that could use a little love. nolabear Aug 2013 #138

shit. i just got my guns back after clinton's seizure. frylock Aug 2013 #193

LOL! That page is priceless. BTW there's a poll that could use a little love. nolabear Aug 2013 #138

Oh, I was looking for the hurry up option BainsBane Aug 2013 #142

Someone's mad I dissed Starbucks food BainsBane Aug 2013 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author nolabear Aug 2013 #138

What bullshit. Never get another dime from me or mine. freshwest Aug 2013 #23

This certainly was not something Starbucks encouraged. donheld Aug 2013 #285

Yet they did nothing to stop it either. Silence is consent. IncessantPerfidy Aug 2013 #295

It's been covered in another thread and I'll be back. This post has no meaning now. freshwest Aug 2013 #300

I went to one in Janesville WI this past week and the pro-gun bumper stickers AllyCat Aug 2013 #24

Why? krispos42 Aug 2013 #25

the irony BainsBane Aug 2013 #30

I like your train of thinking krispos42 Aug 2013 #82

To me it would depend on how the gun is being carried. AlinPA Aug 2013 #51

Are you truly too scared to walk out of your house without a gun? Hoyt Aug 2013 #57

I don't carry. krispos42 Aug 2013 #84

i'm too scared to pay the $300 fine associated with not wearing a seatbelt.. frylock Aug 2013 #197

Failed? krispos42 Aug 2013 #202

yes, failed. are you required by law to carry a gun? frylock Aug 2013 #207

Nope krispos42 Aug 2013 #209

sure, i'll discuss your other post.. frylock Aug 2013 #212

Have a pleasant day. krispos42 Aug 2013 #216

no I intensely dislike being around guns. It wrecks the otherwise pleasant Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #77

Frankly, cell phones seem to do that more for me. krispos42 Aug 2013 #92

Add laptops, babies, loudmouths and overbearing hipsters. n/t Decoy of Fenris Aug 2013 #98

Well, babies and loudmouths have existed forever. krispos42 Aug 2013 #115

But you ARE around them, every day. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #312

not any more or less afraid than those that feel a need to carry 7/24/365 frylock Aug 2013 #196

I avoid that shit every day. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #27

I love coffee! Phentex Aug 2013 #233

most mass shootings by psychopaths occur in gun free zones Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #29

You mean like military bases? BainsBane Aug 2013 #32

No, I mean most mass shootings Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #39

yes Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #41

Yes, precisely like Military bases. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #47

As I've been told many times? Really BainsBane Aug 2013 #49

that is why gun free Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #56

one man's view on gun free zones FreeSpirit123 Aug 2013 #116

Common meme. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #61

Pretty much... Sotf Aug 2013 #107

You say there are no gun-free zones? How 'bout your residence? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #119

inside BainsBane Aug 2013 #208

How about schools? krispos42 Aug 2013 #94

Mostly the only people armed on Jenoch Aug 2013 #125

Right, right BainsBane Aug 2013 #127

Wow, you really think you know everything. Jenoch Aug 2013 #134

policies Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #136

Take it from someone who spent many years in the military... sarisataka Aug 2013 #144

You very obviously know squat about military bases in the US. tumtum Aug 2013 #145

the whole bullshit about mass shootings happening in gun free zones is an NRA talking point BainsBane Aug 2013 #148

Let's see, whom do I believe? tumtum Aug 2013 #154

So no one actually trains for combat on a military base? BainsBane Aug 2013 #176

I do not know much Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #184

Hmmm. That doesn't sound gun free to me BainsBane Aug 2013 #187

What do they do all day? Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #190

You know, when I made that comment I wasn't serious BainsBane Aug 2013 #194

I was quite shocked sarisataka Aug 2013 #234

Are they sent to war zones with that low level of training? BainsBane Aug 2013 #313

Thankfully no, sarisataka Aug 2013 #314

I knew a guy who trained for the MN National Guard BainsBane Aug 2013 #315

Reason for that - and NRA conventions ban guns in most areas - is they know the yahoos that tote. Hoyt Aug 2013 #218

Nope - Not in Texas oldhippie Aug 2013 #235

It is in their headquarters, except in the executive gun range. Hoyt Aug 2013 #246

And they don't hold conventions in their HQ .... oldhippie Aug 2013 #247

Well, they don't want LaPierre, Nugent, etc., strutting around with guns in their pants. Hoyt Aug 2013 #249

Brilliant response oldhippie Aug 2013 #250

Absolute nonsense Boom Sound 416 Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #45

I didn't say they can't and don't happen everywhere Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #50

O.k. n/t Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #63

Here's a link Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #73

In what universe is 33% "most"?? opiate69 Aug 2013 #118

This one Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #132

Before you deign to try to educate me... opiate69 Aug 2013 #141

Dial it back Caller Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #152

Oh, I "get" the context and reasoning just fine. opiate69 Aug 2013 #164

Nice try caller Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #169

lol opiate69 Aug 2013 #175

OMG this exchange is farking hilarious! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #178

They're so easy to rile lol.. opiate69 Aug 2013 #230

Your sample size is too small to make a case for statistical significance. ellisonz Aug 2013 #260

are you saying 2009 is not far enough to go back Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #264

This is a Mayors Against Illegal Guns Study... ellisonz Aug 2013 #265

You're saying the wapo link posted Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #267

Did you not read the full text at the link you posted? ellisonz Aug 2013 #287

So what's missing in the data Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #296

*sigh* ellisonz Aug 2013 #304

So what's the real data relative to the discussion Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #305

There isn't real data. ellisonz Aug 2013 #308

There's no disputing the many variables and mental instability of the shooters Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #309

Caller? Are you a radio host forgetting you are off the air? n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #248

Huh! I never made the connection. pintobean Aug 2013 #254

Charbuck$ is already weaponized - coffee from their burnt beans means instant ulcers... NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #31

Charbuck$! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #99

Burnt coffee can't give you an peptic ulcer. Chan790 Aug 2013 #161

Yes, I know....just trying to be funny (unsuccessfully, it seems...) NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #223

It must have been a good day cvoogt Aug 2013 #42

I know where you got that from. bravenak Aug 2013 #62

;) cvoogt Aug 2013 #66

The Second Amendment Rights are all powerful, more important than any other right to these folks AndyA Aug 2013 #44

How are they taking away their right to life? Sotf Aug 2013 #111

Ask any relative who lost a loved one to gun violence that question. AndyA Aug 2013 #123

Fair enough... Sotf Aug 2013 #143

Sounds like gun-control is the all-powerful issue; more important than Democrats winning. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #126

Yes, the continued loss of innocent lives is justified by Democrats winning seats AndyA Aug 2013 #186

Well I'm already avoiding them because their coffee sucks & their beans over-roasted. Lex Aug 2013 #48

There's that too BainsBane Aug 2013 #54

I avoid overpriced coffee most days. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #53

Good for you BainsBane Aug 2013 #60

wasn't always that way PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #70

Coffee is dark and full of terrors. Dark people drink coffee. bravenak Aug 2013 #55

LOL BainsBane Aug 2013 #58

I ditto the above LOL Phentex Aug 2013 #232

Need some strong black coffee? Better bring a gun! lunasun Aug 2013 #251

I avoid Starbucks everyday. Today, I'll avoid the entire neighborhood. In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #59

Thanks for the heads up. rrneck Aug 2013 #68

I'd like to organize a group to go to one of these protests carrying all these common legal items: Jerry442 Aug 2013 #69

I like it BainsBane Aug 2013 #72

This shit is why I haven't even been inside a Starbuck's for six years now. Aristus Aug 2013 #74

and you are doubtless getting much better coffee BainsBane Aug 2013 #76

Plus, I know I'm a lot safer, too. Aristus Aug 2013 #80

you made a funny Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #81

In my line of work, Aristus Aug 2013 #93

But it's that "festering penis." Glad I avoided that. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #131

... In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #171

Penis penis penis! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #177

Ah ha! In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #179

Penises time infinity.... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #182

It's always about the Penis! In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #189

So you would rather they "Kow-tow" to your point of view? oneshooter Aug 2013 #245

Yes, come to think of it. Aristus Aug 2013 #255

Nether do I, which means that according to you my point is just as legitimate as yours. oneshooter Aug 2013 #268

Kow-tow? ellisonz Aug 2013 #262

Just repeating the term the first poster used. oneshooter Aug 2013 #266

... ellisonz Aug 2013 #261

Detachable penis. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #78

Remind me to avoid Starbucks forever marions ghost Aug 2013 #85

I hope someone takes some photos of the "diverse" group of yahoos who resort to toting in public. Hoyt Aug 2013 #86

Here are some BainsBane Aug 2013 #89

So you think these two aren't frequent customers? Contrary1 Aug 2013 #198

Look like terrorists to me, as do some those standing in front of Starbucks. Hoyt Aug 2013 #215

LMAO. Exactly as I thought they'd look. Hoyt Aug 2013 #213

Are you in S Florida? BainsBane Aug 2013 #217

No, that's even worse than when I was near Atlanta, Georgia. Hoyt Aug 2013 #219

I used to live near a Dixie Hwy BainsBane Aug 2013 #220

Decades ago, there was a road that ran North/South called that. Hoyt Aug 2013 #222

Plenty of parents with kids for guns @ $tarbuck$ ! lunasun Aug 2013 #252

I'd like to see the reports of all the Thav Aug 2013 #88

Here is a list of yesterday's Starbucks shootings. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #307

So tomorrow when nothing has happened Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #110

What hysteria? BainsBane Aug 2013 #113

I agree with Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #259

Thanks. crim son Aug 2013 #112

EVERY day is a good day to avoid Starbucks. nt valerief Aug 2013 #122

Good point Renew Deal Aug 2013 #159

Two things come to my mind. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #130

Excellent points BainsBane Aug 2013 #135

Of all the days to rob a Starbucks... Sotf Aug 2013 #288

I avoid those cheap fuckers anyway...can't give me a slice of lemon with my tea? msanthrope Aug 2013 #133

Thanks for telling us. I knew there was a reason to drink crap coffee today. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #137

local hospitals are on alert Enrique Aug 2013 #147

Why should I avoid Starbucks today? tumtum Aug 2013 #149

Note the use of the conditional tense BainsBane Aug 2013 #151

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #160

This is what it says. BainsBane Aug 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #168

Funny how you claim you know me BainsBane Aug 2013 #172

I did not realize Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #174

Moreover, your effort to associate ordinary gun owners BainsBane Aug 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #170

Bullseye, BB. Paladin Aug 2013 #192

this is correct Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #195

Pro-gun activists are easy to spot. Particularly on a Democratic site. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #224

at least us gun owners do not need a safe zone where Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #225

That edge of desperation isn't very attractive. Paladin Aug 2013 #237

Montana is a beautiful state, according to many, ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #150

I wouldn't expect to hear that kind of thing from you BainsBane Aug 2013 #153

Visited Montana for the first time last month sarisataka Aug 2013 #158

Nothing safer than a herd Yosemite Sams hopped up on caffeine and righteous rage... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #156

!! opiate69 Aug 2013 #221

Call the cops Renew Deal Aug 2013 #157

Another "DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!! thread. No problem near me this morning. we can do it Aug 2013 #173

Newtown Starbucks patrons ask gun rights activists to leave them alone Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #183

Unfortunately, there are people too frightened to leave the house without a gun BainsBane Aug 2013 #188

Going to Newtown is to stick it in their face. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #191

So I looked up what Starbucks has to say about this matter. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #199

I gather some gun control folk tried to start a boycott or something BainsBane Aug 2013 #203

Ah! Looks like it Backfired! NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #229

Pretty funny way of showing 'support'. Dumbasses RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #200

Am I alone in not fearing people with guns? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #201

You may not be alone BainsBane Aug 2013 #204

No one was shot in that incident. pintobean Aug 2013 #214

Another failed alert. pintobean Aug 2013 #231

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #211

I'm afraid of Zimmermans with guns mainer Aug 2013 #257

Awww... a teeny weenie roast at Starbucks. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #205

Tee hee BainsBane Aug 2013 #206

I'll swing by but I'm not going to OC....I'll CC thanks for reminding me ileus Aug 2013 #226

Starbucks allows weapns in their stores? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #227

It might be more accurate to say they are remaining neutral. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #236

Yes BainsBane Aug 2013 #241

Passed by there twice today in Florida HockeyMom Aug 2013 #228

Newtown Starbucks locks doors early Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #238

"It makes me feel like the Westboro Baptist Church was here." BainsBane Aug 2013 #239

Of course they should have, but their point was too important to them, so they exploited Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #240

I find this guy's question a bit ironic: Contrary1 Aug 2013 #243

Agree but I imagine he thinks only now is it safe, thanks to Starbucks policy. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #244

The irony is that they are supporting a liberal company budkin Aug 2013 #253

Seriously. 99Forever Aug 2013 #256

In jurisdictions where they are denied their supposed right, they should carry toy guns... ellisonz Aug 2013 #258

Unreal BainsBane Aug 2013 #263

Uhm..... Jenoch Aug 2013 #269

I was responding to Elisonz's post, not yours BainsBane Aug 2013 #270

Did you miss the last line of Elisonz's post? Jenoch Aug 2013 #271

and? BainsBane Aug 2013 #272

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2013 #273

OMG BainsBane Aug 2013 #274

In a reply on this thread Jenoch Aug 2013 #275

I did not call Elisonz a loser BainsBane Aug 2013 #276

If your intent was to call Jenoch Aug 2013 #278

Elisonz is head of the gun control group BainsBane Aug 2013 #277

The misunderstanding was that I forgot Jenoch Aug 2013 #279

No, I didn't. I asked why you responded like this was all about you BainsBane Aug 2013 #280

Well, I did mess up. Jenoch Aug 2013 #281

My life is none of your concern BainsBane Aug 2013 #282

I am sorry if you see it that way. Jenoch Aug 2013 #284

Guess no more Starbucks for me 47of74 Aug 2013 #283

Hey! you've managed to anger the Yosemite Sam crowd AND the Hoity-Toity Manhattanite Espresso Snobs Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #289

I gotz talent BainsBane Aug 2013 #290

Never dream of it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #291

get a few of those assault rifles in a closet BainsBane Aug 2013 #298

"but the safety's on!" "Yes, I know... Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #303

I'd hate to be in line for coffee behind that guy on the right arcane1 Aug 2013 #302

Let the gunners have Starbucks plenty of gun free coffee places in this country to choose from IncessantPerfidy Aug 2013 #292

Today is Saturday and I'm not seeing - lynne Aug 2013 #293

The Newton store closed early BainsBane Aug 2013 #294

glad those Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #299

"it ended up being a non-event at all of the Starbucks that remained open." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #306

UPDATE: In spite of some predictions, no shootings occurred at any Starbucks. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #310

particularly in Newtown BainsBane Aug 2013 #311