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SomethingFishy

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17. Yes I do understand... What I don't understand is how

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 03:02 PM

Aug 2013

people can claim that "Americans are not being spied on" in one breath and then tell me that "the NSA cannot say how many have been swept up" in another. Either it's happening or it isn't. According to Udall and Wyden is IS happening but they can't talk about it. According to section 702 it is NOT happening. So do I believe the paperwork or the men?

"They do their best to target non-Americans". That statement is false. They do their best NOT to target Americans who are not communicating overseas. But according to Udall and Wyden stuff is slipping through the cracks. According to other reports the stuff that is "slipping through the cracks" is being used by the DEA. Now there is a report that the IRS is also using the data.

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Wyden, Udall vindicated: Obama Admin Caught LYING? [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

Um ProSense Aug 2013 #1

It doesn't prohibit anything, it makes it legal. Rex Aug 2013 #3

No, and it doesn't give permission. In the ProSense Aug 2013 #4

They are not targeting American citizens. Rex Aug 2013 #5

+1 An unfathomably slimy strategy. woo me with science Aug 2013 #11

All the talk about 'targeting' is like pretending there is a drone Rex Aug 2013 #13

Yup, and what's the alternative? woo me with science Aug 2013 #15

You would need an alt backbone to the WWW. Rex Aug 2013 #18

Like TOR where they insert tracking data through malicious code? dkf Aug 2013 #34

I agree, if a thief wants to steal your car Rex Aug 2013 #40

You never really loved him Aerows Aug 2013 #25

I have defenses in place to deal with the British. Rex Aug 2013 #27

LMAO Aerows Aug 2013 #31

HEHE Rex Aug 2013 #38

Indeed, my friend Aerows Aug 2013 #41

It is you, you picked the very best from the start. Rex Aug 2013 #48

snort leftstreet Aug 2013 #39

There is NO WAY we can fit in a medieval trojan into this conversation. Rex Aug 2013 #42

The facepalm Aerows Aug 2013 #46

Bwah! woo me with science Aug 2013 #28

:D Aerows Aug 2013 #33

Nope. The Patriot Act requires data collection be relevant to a specific authorized investigation. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #66

Its not unconstitutional ,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #45

Plants by the far right wing Aerows Aug 2013 #49

"It's not unconstitutional!" "They're not lying!" woo me with science Aug 2013 #53

ummmmm Cryptoad Aug 2013 #65

You can't win this argument with facts and truth. Thanks, anyway. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #6

I just agreed, but that was funny. Rex Aug 2013 #7

you might as well as try to convince a "saved" fundamentalist Christian that the Bible is not the Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #8

You forgot to capitalize "Truth." nt woo me with science Aug 2013 #16

That is 100% correct.. SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #9

It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to say who is on the other end DevonRex Aug 2013 #14

Yes I do understand... What I don't understand is how SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #17

People forget that it is a virtual world. Rex Aug 2013 #20

Way before this, and even now, in a radio frequency world, DevonRex Aug 2013 #36

No they do NOT "do their best" to target non-americans. bvar22 Aug 2013 #44

no they are not lying,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #47

What makes you say that? According to them they have the information SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #51

Thats what the Tea Party Cryptoad Aug 2013 #64

Yeah. This IS the foreign program. Not domestic. That is the section DevonRex Aug 2013 #10

Not only that, but ProSense Aug 2013 #32

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #2

K&R. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #12

This is how they reign in the internets! They own the mass media except for the net! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #19

^^^ what YOU said . . . n/t annabanana Aug 2013 #60

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #21

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #22

The following says a lot. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #23

I'll add to that Hydra Aug 2013 #24

Worse and worse. woo me with science Aug 2013 #30

Right. Each word is worse than the last BlueStreak Aug 2013 #57

Thanks kpete for this. K&R nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #26

K&R. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #29

ofercrissake, Pete... lamp_shade Aug 2013 #35

"Obama lied" because of a Guardian title ProSense Aug 2013 #37

You'd think after John Lewis' recant of the Guardian headline... randome Aug 2013 #62

Obama? Lie? DeSwiss Aug 2013 #43

It isn't a lie. It is just another dimension of the truth. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #58

Yottabytes marions ghost Aug 2013 #50

Very Cool! KoKo Aug 2013 #54

Sometimes marions ghost Aug 2013 #59

I know... it took a bit of time coming "this time around" KoKo Aug 2013 #61

DURec. bvar22 Aug 2013 #52

K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #55

K&R avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #56

Oh, the, fucking spinning for snowden, guardian. I trust PBO Cha Aug 2013 #63