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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
36. Sounds like the Tea Party platform.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:06 PM
Feb 2012

Better yet, why don't we pass comprehensive immigration reform? Provide legal status, maybe not citizenship, to those who have already made lives here and create a work permit program for seasonal laborers. Now, we have a situation where, because of increased enforcement, people who would have gone back home for the season just stay here because coming back is too risky and difficult.

And people are not "pouring in" anymore. Immigration is responsive to economic conditions. Check with ICE and and BPS and they will tell you that the number of people they're grabbing is way down.

Of course, now we criminalize them. Before about 2006, we often just sent them home. But now, we have a whole system of privatized immigrant detention centers and assembly-line justice where these wannabe laborers are turned into felons.

I suggest you check out Tom Barry's "Border Wars" for a progressive perspective.

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the separations should be reduced Enrique Feb 2012 #1
Based on what criteria? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #5
On the fact that it's psychologically traumatic for both parents and children? nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #157
Deportation happens to thousands of parents, every year. The "anchor baby" is a RW myth. leveymg Feb 2012 #2
The question is "should" they. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #4
If you ask the families, the answer is obvious. leveymg Feb 2012 #10
Yes, our system is a mess. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #12
The range of options heard on this issue extends from the center-right to the far-right. leveymg Feb 2012 #15
Yes. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3
We generally don't imprison people for jaywalking Scootaloo Feb 2012 #9
We generally do not deport then for jaywalking either. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #13
Deportation isn't a punishment. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #20
"Deportation isn't a punishment." ON WHAT PLANET? aquart Feb 2012 #129
If you kick me out of your living room, it's not punishment for being naughty. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #141
It damn well is a punishment for being "naughty." aquart Feb 2012 #144
That's kinda where I'm at. renie408 Feb 2012 #22
The biggest problem Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #100
Actually there are two conjoined problems Scootaloo Feb 2012 #112
This is the single best (and most depressing) thread I've read on this topic here. BlueIris Feb 2012 #136
It's simply a matter of supply and demand Major Nikon Feb 2012 #120
Kinda hard to raise a family on 9 bucks an hour cash no benefits or taxes. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2012 #126
When ICE picks you up, they generally don't take you home to pack EFerrari Feb 2012 #18
It is a false issue. former9thward Feb 2012 #6
What if the child is older? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #8
If they are not deported then what would be done with them? former9thward Feb 2012 #11
Yes. Put them in the "already overburdened foster child program". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #26
Hope you are not a parent if you think that is the answer. former9thward Feb 2012 #70
I am a parent and I think that is the answer. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #94
I'm sorry but that is inaccurate. The Obama policy EFerrari Feb 2012 #138
The system is imperfect lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #142
The system is much worse than imperfect. EFerrari Feb 2012 #143
Thousands of Kids Lost From Parents In U.S. Deportation System EFerrari Feb 2012 #24
Your link is almost all about detention not deportation. former9thward Feb 2012 #71
There is a link to the whole report at the link I provided. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #73
If the children get away ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #7
Absolutely not. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #14
Why? renie408 Feb 2012 #17
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #23
Sounds like the Tea Party platform. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #36
No, actually I am far from the Tea Party as you can get. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #40
And in addition to Mexicans, C. Americans, S. Americans time for me to fly Feb 2012 #25
And you know this....how? renie408 Feb 2012 #31
I have lived in a community that became heavily Mexican time for me to fly Feb 2012 #33
"Heavily Mexican"...Oh. Now I get it. renie408 Feb 2012 #38
I read it as "Heavenly Mexican" Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #103
If they are born here, THIS is their 'homeland'. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #72
No. They should not be separated. renie408 Feb 2012 #16
No, and it used to not happen until the immigrants in question Cleita Feb 2012 #19
Puleeze. Even with the "brown" people time for me to fly Feb 2012 #28
And what is the 'massive issue' again? renie408 Feb 2012 #32
I am talking about where I live, which welcomes undocumented people. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #35
... renie408 Feb 2012 #39
Mexican immigration is at a 60 year low. EFerrari Feb 2012 #54
Perhaps lack of food and opportunity make these people risk all. Cleita Feb 2012 #43
That's an anedote though. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #30
Yes, it's an anecdote, however, I challenge you to Cleita Feb 2012 #42
I believe manner of entry has a lot to do with it. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #44
In the larger cities it's harder for the authorities to crack down. Cleita Feb 2012 #47
Illegal workers of all stripes should definitely be the focus. nt. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #49
Or, since the workers are actually needed, we need new laws Cleita Feb 2012 #53
Same as H1B workers. A needed resource. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #56
I guess you're being sarcastic. Cleita Feb 2012 #91
Who wants to do IT? Better to let hard workers from India do it. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #92
We both know that isn't what I'm talking about. Cleita Feb 2012 #95
So it's wrong for brown people to do white-collar jobs, because they are meant to Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #96
Is it? You are the one going there so please explain your Cleita Feb 2012 #98
You said: Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #99
Boy the straw men keep coming. Cleita Feb 2012 #101
Sounded like code to me. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #102
Yes, that's why it shouldn't be illegal. Cleita Feb 2012 #104
No civilized country in the world has open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #106
Allowing people who want to work for people who Cleita Feb 2012 #107
Isn't that exactly what H1B visas are? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #108
Well, I don't think IT engineers will pick vegetables frankly. Cleita Feb 2012 #109
So once again unskilled labor should just suck it up while the princes of the corporate world should Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #110
So, I was suspicious you weren't really wanting a discussion Cleita Feb 2012 #113
Very interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Feb 2012 #111
The reason for this has to do with the manner of entry - whether it's with or without inspection WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2012 #41
Actually, one of the Mexican cooks in a place I worked at used to fly in with Cleita Feb 2012 #46
The alternative is The T Don Hutto Detention Center w8liftinglady Feb 2012 #21
No. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #27
I bet if some of these people were from europe or Canada we wouldn't even be talking southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #29
Interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #34
Good point. But it would be nice if our countries who shared borders would allow workers to southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #52
The EU has essentially done that, but has fairly strict economic requirements to join. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #57
On our borders (Canada, US and Mexican borders) southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #59
Canada and the US would probably qualify. Mexico would likely have to bring up its economy. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #60
That is interesting. Lets home they can get rid of that real serious drug cartel and maybe it southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #62
You are being very offensive to my partner and other Americans! time for me to fly Feb 2012 #37
Ok, I am glad you figured out the smiley thing... renie408 Feb 2012 #48
Around here most construction workers are American born making $12-$15 Nikia Feb 2012 #154
Well first off I am married to a man that was adopted and brought here to the states legally. I southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #51
"Maybe you live in a very White area and can idealize this issue." EFerrari Feb 2012 #58
Yeah... renie408 Feb 2012 #61
Poster has been escorted out of the building. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #64
You know renie408 Feb 2012 #66
She is a repeating disruptor who has been banned literally 100's of times. cbayer Feb 2012 #67
Ahhhh...didn't realize that. renie408 Feb 2012 #69
"The way you wear your hat, the way you sip your tea --" EFerrari Feb 2012 #75
I doubt that removing the trash will result in a lack of countervailing opinions EFerrari Feb 2012 #68
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #151
you are correct....the irish are second in illegal immigration madrchsod Feb 2012 #50
Unless a policeman was around one of them they wouldn't no any better unless the person southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #55
Yep. aquart Feb 2012 #130
A little off topic, but if you want to see an incredible and heartbreaking documentary about cbayer Feb 2012 #45
Mom and child are natural born citizens HockeyMom Feb 2012 #63
That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #65
Wtf? On what basis do you suggest American citizens be deported? EFerrari Feb 2012 #74
Read post 63. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #76
And? EFerrari Feb 2012 #77
? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #78
That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #87
I can see how if you say it with a different tone it may mean something different. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #90
In an aquaintances case, they all decided to go to Japan Nikia Feb 2012 #155
I am repeating what I have heard people say HockeyMom Feb 2012 #156
No. Period. Full-Stop. End-Of-Story. n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #79
Should that apply to all illegal immigrants or just the one's who can have children here? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #80
All the undocumented immigrants with US citizen children. Chan790 Feb 2012 #84
So if you are sterile or unattractive then that is a disadvantage? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #89
No but it does mean families should affirmatively be kept together. EFerrari Feb 2012 #93
But you are disadvantaged if you can't have a family or can't have one quickly enough. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #97
In the sense that your relatives can't be mistreated if you don't have any, sure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #105
Why would you want to be somewhere where you and your descendants will be mistreated? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #147
No. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #81
Should that also apply to illegal immigrants without children? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #82
it should apply to both parents. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #85
Makes sense. Like H1B Visas. People just coming here to make a better life. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #88
Gosh, if I could only make a list of folks I'd like to see ejected from *my* USA. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #83
What if the ones deported aren't Mexican? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86
OK Oasis_ Feb 2012 #114
I imagine it fundamentally boils down to whether one believes... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #116
The reality is that the world is made up of borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119
Hence, the reason many people prioritize LanternWaste Feb 2012 #121
No country could survive open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #122
You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your premise. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #123
I am just responding to what you have stated. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #124
less like a musing, and more as an absolutist prognostication LanternWaste Feb 2012 #125
Nothing exists a vacuum. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #127
And yet you lock your doors at night. So there must be *some* boundary line Romulox Feb 2012 #133
Economic refugees aren't thieves, they're workers. EFerrari Feb 2012 #137
Never a good idea not to lock your doors no matter where you are. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #148
Not sticky to me. Separating parents from children is inhumane. aquart Feb 2012 #117
So there would be some incentive to being pregnant or impregnating someone Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #118
Yes, dear. aquart Feb 2012 #128
A couple of things. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #132
A couple of things. The vast majority of parents are concerned about their children. EFerrari Feb 2012 #139
It's not about priorities. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #146
And citizens who've committed crimes--no jail if they have children? Romulox Feb 2012 #131
Maybe just reduced sentences? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #134
this is such a strange discussion shireen Feb 2012 #135
They are our neighbors that we invaded with NAFTA and killed their ag sector, too. EFerrari Feb 2012 #140
There was no illegal immigration before NAFTA? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #149
NAFTA and Mexico's Agrarian Apocalypse EFerrari Feb 2012 #153
Your facts are repulsive jupiter chakra Feb 2012 #152
Thank you! This comment says it better than I could have. nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #158
Santorum weighs in: ... tells tea party group he'd be willing to break up illegal immigrant families pampango Feb 2012 #145
Thanks. That was the thread I was referring to in the OP. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #150
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