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In reply to the discussion: You might want to avoid Starbucks today [View all]NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)236. It might be more accurate to say they are remaining neutral.
Like most any store, they don't have a specific policy either way; they have decided to stay out of the controversy.
They and other retail outlets, including Peets and IKEA, have been challenged to take a stand by developing policies specifically-- to take a side.
I think the gun-rights group "Opencarry.org" started it, then gun-control groups responded in kind.
One pro-control group has turned this decision to stay neutral into this headline: "Starbucks promotes Pro-gun Agenda".
http://gunvictimsaction.org/fact-sheet/starbucks-promotes-gun-agenda/
I don't think that's fair. Here is Starbuck's position:
Mar 03, 2010
Starbucks Position on Open Carry Gun Laws
(updated March 16, 2010)
We recognize that there is significant and genuine passion surrounding the issue of open carry weapons laws. Advocacy groups from both sides of this issue have chosen to use Starbucks as a way to draw attention to their positions.
While we deeply respect the views of all our customers, Starbucks long-standing approach to this issue remains unchanged. We comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve. That means we abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states. Where these laws dont exist, openly carrying weapons in our stores is prohibited. The political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores.
At the same time, we have a security protocol for any threatening situation that might occur in our stores. Partners are trained to call law enforcement as situations arise. We will continuously review our procedures to ensure the highest safety guidelines are in place and we will continue to work closely with law enforcement.
We have examined this issue through the lens of partner (employee) and customer safety. Were we to adopt a policy different from local laws allowing open carry, we would be forced to require our partners to ask law abiding customers to leave our stores, putting our partners in an unfair and potentially unsafe position.
As the public debate continues, we are asking all interested parties to refrain from putting Starbucks or our partners into the middle of this divisive issue. As a company, we are extremely sensitive to the issue of gun violence in our society. Our Starbucks family knows all too well the dangers that exist when guns are used irresponsibly and illegally. Without minimizing this unfortunate reality, we believe that supporting local laws is the right way for us to ensure a safe environment for both partners and customers.
http://news.starbucks.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=332
Starbucks Position on Open Carry Gun Laws
(updated March 16, 2010)
We recognize that there is significant and genuine passion surrounding the issue of open carry weapons laws. Advocacy groups from both sides of this issue have chosen to use Starbucks as a way to draw attention to their positions.
While we deeply respect the views of all our customers, Starbucks long-standing approach to this issue remains unchanged. We comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve. That means we abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states. Where these laws dont exist, openly carrying weapons in our stores is prohibited. The political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores.
At the same time, we have a security protocol for any threatening situation that might occur in our stores. Partners are trained to call law enforcement as situations arise. We will continuously review our procedures to ensure the highest safety guidelines are in place and we will continue to work closely with law enforcement.
We have examined this issue through the lens of partner (employee) and customer safety. Were we to adopt a policy different from local laws allowing open carry, we would be forced to require our partners to ask law abiding customers to leave our stores, putting our partners in an unfair and potentially unsafe position.
As the public debate continues, we are asking all interested parties to refrain from putting Starbucks or our partners into the middle of this divisive issue. As a company, we are extremely sensitive to the issue of gun violence in our society. Our Starbucks family knows all too well the dangers that exist when guns are used irresponsibly and illegally. Without minimizing this unfortunate reality, we believe that supporting local laws is the right way for us to ensure a safe environment for both partners and customers.
http://news.starbucks.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=332
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Jeezus. Can these people do anything that doesn't involve humping their guns?
Sheldon Cooper
Aug 2013
#1
That's an ongoing area of legislation. Many airports let you carry in the non-secure area
Recursion
Aug 2013
#6
People picking up and dropping off loved ones. Also people who like Cinnabon or Michael Crichton
Recursion
Aug 2013
#9
Because GUN NUTS feel the need to carry their penis substitutes anywhere
Fortinbras Armstrong
Aug 2013
#155
It's the way I truly feel, and I notice that you do not even try to contradict it
Fortinbras Armstrong
Aug 2013
#297
Yeah so? No law in amsterdam requires a property owner to allow people to smoke.
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2013
#52
Since gun violence has been steadily falling for 20 years and is at historic lows
hack89
Aug 2013
#65
I see... the "protesters" are predicating their actions on that of another failed action.
LanternWaste
Aug 2013
#90
Unlike extremist gunners, I surely don't harbor fantasies of murdering others...
hlthe2b
Aug 2013
#34
LOL! That page is priceless. BTW there's a poll that could use a little love.
nolabear
Aug 2013
#138
LOL! That page is priceless. BTW there's a poll that could use a little love.
nolabear
Aug 2013
#138
It's been covered in another thread and I'll be back. This post has no meaning now.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#300
no I intensely dislike being around guns. It wrecks the otherwise pleasant
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2013
#77
the whole bullshit about mass shootings happening in gun free zones is an NRA talking point
BainsBane
Aug 2013
#148
Reason for that - and NRA conventions ban guns in most areas - is they know the yahoos that tote.
Hoyt
Aug 2013
#218
Well, they don't want LaPierre, Nugent, etc., strutting around with guns in their pants.
Hoyt
Aug 2013
#249
There's no disputing the many variables and mental instability of the shooters
Boom Sound 416
Aug 2013
#309
Charbuck$ is already weaponized - coffee from their burnt beans means instant ulcers...
NRaleighLiberal
Aug 2013
#31
The Second Amendment Rights are all powerful, more important than any other right to these folks
AndyA
Aug 2013
#44
Sounds like gun-control is the all-powerful issue; more important than Democrats winning.
Eleanors38
Aug 2013
#126
Yes, the continued loss of innocent lives is justified by Democrats winning seats
AndyA
Aug 2013
#186
Well I'm already avoiding them because their coffee sucks & their beans over-roasted.
Lex
Aug 2013
#48
I'd like to organize a group to go to one of these protests carrying all these common legal items:
Jerry442
Aug 2013
#69
Nether do I, which means that according to you my point is just as legitimate as yours.
oneshooter
Aug 2013
#268
I hope someone takes some photos of the "diverse" group of yahoos who resort to toting in public.
Hoyt
Aug 2013
#86
I avoid those cheap fuckers anyway...can't give me a slice of lemon with my tea?
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#133
Thanks for telling us. I knew there was a reason to drink crap coffee today.
Eleanors38
Aug 2013
#137
Nothing safer than a herd Yosemite Sams hopped up on caffeine and righteous rage...
LanternWaste
Aug 2013
#156
Another "DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!! thread. No problem near me this morning.
we can do it
Aug 2013
#173
Unfortunately, there are people too frightened to leave the house without a gun
BainsBane
Aug 2013
#188
Of course they should have, but their point was too important to them, so they exploited
Jefferson23
Aug 2013
#240
Agree but I imagine he thinks only now is it safe, thanks to Starbucks policy.
Jefferson23
Aug 2013
#244
In jurisdictions where they are denied their supposed right, they should carry toy guns...
ellisonz
Aug 2013
#258
Hey! you've managed to anger the Yosemite Sam crowd AND the Hoity-Toity Manhattanite Espresso Snobs
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#289
Let the gunners have Starbucks plenty of gun free coffee places in this country to choose from
IncessantPerfidy
Aug 2013
#292
"it ended up being a non-event at all of the Starbucks that remained open."
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2013
#306
UPDATE: In spite of some predictions, no shootings occurred at any Starbucks.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2013
#310