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oldhippie

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22. There can sometimes be a difference between what is right ......

Fri Aug 9, 2013, 07:53 PM

Aug 2013

... and what is legal.

If, in fact, he believes that what he did was right, then, like every American citizen, he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer and make his case.

I think Snowden and everyone else agrees what he did was not legal, but it may have been right.

The courts only decide what is legal, not always what is right.

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President Obama: Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #1

How long have you been following.. I mean trolling? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #4

Well then, your post actually seems like it needs some serious house training. Cha Aug 2013 #6

Who the fuck are you, and why are you "following" me and posting weird comments? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #7

You know what's cool? You don't HAVE to do it! CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #14

Uh oh! Lot's of actual facts in this post DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #2

Not a fan of that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" part of the constitution, it seems. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #3

You run to Russia when you are innocent? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #5

After seeing how Manning was treated, he had reason to question.... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #8

Although it has nothing to do with Manning, at least Manning faced a court of law.... George II Aug 2013 #39

+1000 Amonester Aug 2013 #43

Why not just ask if he stopped beating his wife yet? GoneFishin Aug 2013 #13

He beat his wife too? That will be another felony... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #16

Did he get married? If not, shouldn't the question be whether he stopped beating his girlfriend? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #31

No, in some cases, if if you actually want to win... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #37

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #11

He equated the fact Snowden faced three felony counts with proof that he is NOT a Patriot. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #15

What? It's his opinion in response to a question. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #17

That's right, it does NOT. Yet he equated felony charges with proof he is NOT patriotic hlthe2b Aug 2013 #18

LOL! Perfect detailed response. See the OP. ProSense Aug 2013 #19

That's a very rude response. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #24

No, it isn't, but I guess you think saying that makes it so. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #26

Your reliance on sarcasm and snark makes it so hlthe2b Aug 2013 #29

No, and the response was not snark. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #33

I'll take that as your apology then. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #35

It wasn't because I stand by the comment. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #36

then that simply reflects even more poorly on you hlthe2b Aug 2013 #49

No, I think your comments are a sign of desperation. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #52

Ahh, more insults.... (and projecting)... Really, PS, that is pretty damn transparent. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #54

I think your comment "reflects even more poorly on you" n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #56

and more projection.... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #57

You're right. And since Bush & Cheney are not facing any felony counts, ... AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #32

Reread the transcript (or the OP) - the quoted excerpt wasn't in response to the "Patriot" question! George II Aug 2013 #40

Here: (it could not be clearer) hlthe2b Aug 2013 #58

That's a Foxism, a cleverly crafted edit from a long, elaborate answer to a question........ George II Aug 2013 #85

That's not part of the constitution. millennialmax Aug 2013 #20

How many whistleblowers shawn703 Aug 2013 #64

Obama's War on Whistleblowers hlthe2b Aug 2013 #65

Sorry shawn703 Aug 2013 #66

If YOU do some further research (& no, I don't have time to do so tonight), you'll find the OSC has hlthe2b Aug 2013 #69

I found this shawn703 Aug 2013 #70

Read the whistleblower statutes with respect to legality... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #71

There has to be a claim somewhere shawn703 Aug 2013 #72

I'd imagine it would require more than the 20 minutes you've spent thus far to research the matter.. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #73

I googled EPA whistleblowers fracking shawn703 Aug 2013 #74

Just becuse it ws leaked to NYT does NOT mean they didn't try OSC route first... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #75

It would be a pretty newsworthy piece of information wouldn't it? shawn703 Aug 2013 #80

Google "Failulre of Office of Special Counsel and whistleblowers" as a start hlthe2b Aug 2013 #76

I found an article about Charles M Smith shawn703 Aug 2013 #79

Persecuted, not prosecuted... I've never maintained the latter. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #81

How many whistleblowers who have gone through proper channels have been prosecuted? George II Aug 2013 #86

Persecuted, not prosecuted... (and one is hardly better than the other) hlthe2b Aug 2013 #88

Bad answer, but regardless, how many have been either PROS or PERS ecuted? George II Aug 2013 #89

Not true. But the US constitution doesn't apply in Russia. If Snowden ever returns here, pnwmom Aug 2013 #83

Mahalo, PS Cha Aug 2013 #9

"he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer and make his case" Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #10

I'm not sure what you're after by way of response DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #12

Perhaps if you have listened in 2005 you would have heard Bush when he spoke about Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #27

So? Caretha Aug 2013 #42

So I guess several who post they would not know about the collections needs to line up to climb a Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #45

That was an answer? Caretha Aug 2013 #59

Sorry it went over your head, was saying some will go to great lenghts to tell lies Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #62

You know Caretha Aug 2013 #63

I am neither drunk nor delusional, you can mark me on ignore and stay angry, I can not change your Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #77

K&R! nt sheshe2 Aug 2013 #21

There can sometimes be a difference between what is right ...... oldhippie Aug 2013 #22

Juries can do whatever they choose, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #23

Juries are instructed strictly by the judge to only rule on the letter of the law davidn3600 Aug 2013 #28

^^ This ^^ oldhippie Aug 2013 #48

You don't think even one member of a jury Progressive dog Aug 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Aug 2013 #25

Because they've made it illegal to expose unconstitutional acts. dkf Aug 2013 #34

So as I have said elsewhere several times, he's too gutless to face the consequences of his actions. George II Aug 2013 #41

Maybe he feels, as do many others, ... oldhippie Aug 2013 #47

As long as he's too chicken shit to find out, we'll never know. George II Aug 2013 #55

Who here who thinks Snowden is innocent? Even Snowden knows he is not innocent, Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #30

This is as transparent as it gets. raindaddy Aug 2013 #38

Yeah, but Snowden is a coward. Amonester Aug 2013 #46

Red state I bet! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #78

And who charged him with the three felonies? rug Aug 2013 #44

I think the most important thing Snowden has asserted through his actions burnsei sensei Aug 2013 #50

''...charged with felonies.'' DeSwiss Aug 2013 #51

NYT editorial: Snowden's "fears do not qualify him for asylum" ProSense Aug 2013 #53

Tell that to Russia Caretha Aug 2013 #60

This should be it's own OP, Madding is the reason they're justifying Snowden running to uponit7771 Aug 2013 #61

Madding who? Caretha Aug 2013 #67

lol...watching football...manning uponit7771 Aug 2013 #68

Thanks. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #84

And, the people who have been spying on Americans have been charged with......? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #87