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sheshe2

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Fri Aug 9, 2013, 08:36 PM Aug 2013

The Top 10 Most Inaccurate and Exaggerated NSA Stories (So Far) [View all]

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I hasten to note that I’m leaving out anything from Alex Jones or other well-known conspiracy theorists, though it appears as if there’s a new litter of leftie conspiracy theorists emerging, some of whom will be mentioned below. I’m also not including self-debunked stories: for example, the posts that make outrageous claims as the lede or headline, then clarify (usually about the existence of court oversight and warrants) deep within the belly of the article itself. Furthermore, some of these items follow the 24-hour Rule: once a wild claim is made, it’s often clarified within a day or so, but only after the misleading claim has circumnavigated the internet several times over. That’s exactly what happened when it was reported that…



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8) The British GCHQ collects 21 petabytes of data every day from underwater fiber optic cables.

If you recall, this story began as a wild theory — literally — published on The Guardian, which subsequently morphed into reality as it jumped from publication to publication, including The Atlantic (no correction issued) and The Young Turks show on Current. This was a stupendously aggravating example of how shoddy reporting circulates through the tubes and is eventually repeated as fact.

How a Wild Theoretical Claim About the NSA Magically Transformed Into Factual Reality
By Bob Cesca · July 19,2013 Print Friendly

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On Thursday, I watched a video monologue by Cenk Uygur via the following tweet:

“Millions Of Gigabytes Collected Daily UNDERWATER By US, England http://bit.ly/1aToyme via @CenkUygur”

There’s one major problem with Cenk’s big screamer headline: it’s simply incorrect.

Once again, however, I hasten to preface that I still consider Cenk a friend, and this really isn’t intended to bash him personally. It turns out, Cenk stumbled into a modern game of journalistic “Telephone.” In case you’re the one person in the world who’s never played “Telephone,” here’s how it works. A phrase or a word is whispered into the ear of one person, then that person whispers the phrase into another ear, and so on. By the time the phrase works its way around the room, and due to memory lapses or misheard whispers, the phrase morphs into something completely different. The internet vastly enables this process.

Based on the post by The Atlantic, Cenk reported that, yes, the GCHQ taps into underwater cables and subsequently shares its intelligence with NSA. To the credit of both Cenk and The Atlantic, each made sure to mention that underwater cable-taps have been occurring for decades. In James Bamford’s book, Body of Secrets, we learned about Operation Ivy Bells during which the USS Halibut tapped into a Soviet telecommunications cable and gathered huge volumes of signal intelligence (SIGINT) until a leaker sold details of the operation to the KGB. Elsewhere, the New York Times reported on fiber optic cable taps back in 2005.

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And where did the New Scientist get this information?

The Guardian.


Specifically, the New Scientist linked to the original Snowden bombshell article from June 21 about GCHQ tapping underwater fiber optic cables. For what it’s worth, Glenn Greenwald didn’t contribute to this post. Ewen MacAskill, Julian Borger, Nick Hopkins, Nick Davies and James Ball are credited in the byline.

Here’s the only mention of “21 million gigabytes” or “21 petabytes” in the entire article:

Each of the cables carries data at a rate of 10 gigabits per second, so the tapped cables had the capacity, in theory, to deliver more than 21 petabytes a day – equivalent to sending all the information in all the books in the British Library 192 times every 24 hours.


http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/how-a-wild-theoretical-claim-about-the-nsa-transformed-into-factual-reality/

7) President Obama is fighting a deliberate “war on whistleblowers.”

This isn’t necessarily specific to the NSA story, but it’s absolutely one of Greenwald’s preferred frames for whenever leakers or, in this case, Edward Snowden’s name is brought up. It insinuates that the president and the Justice Department are viciously persecuting any and all whistleblowers, irrespective of circumstances. We’re to infer that if you blow the whistle on the government, you’re doomed. This is simply untrue. As Charlie Savage reported in the New York Times, the so-called “war” is simply a matter of happenstance: leftover prosecutions from the Bush years, greater ease of digitally tracking leaks and so on. On top of this inconvenient reality, the president not only signed an executive order to protect legitimate whistleblowers in the intelligence community who expose “waste, fraud or abuse” via proper channels, but he also signed the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act last year.

6) The U.S. sentences whistleblowers to be tossed in “a cage for decades” and “disappeared.”

Greenwald said this on national broadcast television — twice — as a weak and false excuse for why perhaps Snowden fled the country to Hong Kong and Russia. The longest sentence handed down in this “war on whistleblowers” was 30 months, which is currently being served by John Kiriakou who blew the whistle on CIA torture, and who was prosecuted for outing the names of CIA officers. Elsewhere, yes, Bradley Manning could face up to 90 years in prison, but he hasn’t been sentenced yet. Even if he received the maximum sentence, he would be the first and only leaker to be imprisoned “for decades.”

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/08/the-top-nine-most-egregiously-inaccurate-nsa-stories-so-far/

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Let's put together a list of the NSA's top 10 appologists. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #1
lol, there should be a ranking system quinnox Aug 2013 #4
Well thank you~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #11
too many to list quinnox Aug 2013 #17
So shall we make that the top 100... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #23
I wouldn't want to leave anyone out accidently quinnox Aug 2013 #26
Does that mean you have no list? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #27
I definitely have my favorites, but quinnox Aug 2013 #34
Funny thing is... 99Forever Aug 2013 #6
And, all you have are personal ignorant attacks and insults. you are Cha Aug 2013 #9
It really is silly though-- there aren't enough of you anymore. Marr Aug 2013 #89
the whole lot (around 10) will probably make an appearence in this thread, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #95
Aaaah tools, nice. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #12
Good... 99Forever Aug 2013 #18
yes... millions with no understanding of the technologies involved ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #20
I understand just fine, wiseguy. 99Forever Aug 2013 #28
wow... that's pretty dramatic ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #37
more insults, i see ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #39
If facts insult you, that's your problem. 99Forever Aug 2013 #41
wow... you can't even own your insults... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #43
**** 99Forever Aug 2013 #45
hot damn... it's the copy/paste machine ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #46
What you say is irrelevant. This isn't: 99Forever Aug 2013 #47
you seem to think i disagree with you on the 4th Amendment ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #49
Bullshit. 99Forever Aug 2013 #50
ah... now YOU'RE omnipotent... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #51
Save it for the Amen crowd. 99Forever Aug 2013 #53
You're squeezing a balloon full of hate air. randome Aug 2013 #57
Why is it that you feel the need to insult and belittle everyone? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #55
they can't make a valid point to support their position ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #56
I know PJM, kinda sad in a way. sheshe2 Aug 2013 #58
lol.. well said, PJM. Cha Aug 2013 #66
So you equate posting a pic of a guillotine with "facts" and all your other silly Cha Aug 2013 #68
Thank you for that response PJM~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #42
What a laugh...you understand the tech better than Ed Snowden. wtmusic Aug 2013 #73
i understand it better than you ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #74
You have no fucking idea what I know wtmusic Aug 2013 #75
and you have no idea what i know... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #76
Millions! OMG! Millions? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #31
Asked and answered. 99Forever Aug 2013 #36
He could be right Andy823 Aug 2013 #59
Yep. Once you add the Tea Party to the Paulbots, that's definitely millions. Number23 Aug 2013 #99
LOL.. "millions" of you.. rofl I certainly hope not for the sake of Cha Aug 2013 #69
I would call them useful idiots, OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #60
I see you too, Senor Quixote. Californeeway Aug 2013 #88
So all you have are insults to a poster who is bringing an article Cha Aug 2013 #7
Intimidation techniques display a lack jazzimov Aug 2013 #8
Did they even read the article? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #25
There are no 'apologists' on this thread. Only those who look calmly at the facts. randome Aug 2013 #10
+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #40
They may be inaccuracies but the issue that concerns me is one that Obama has admitted - JDPriestly Aug 2013 #105
...then they get laugh at you uponit7771 Aug 2013 #13
It's OK...you can wrap yourself in the latest Huffington Post lede CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #14
I would be honored~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #33
So, if we prefer to traffic in facts as opposed to falsehoods Californeeway Aug 2013 #91
That's why I appreciated this article. I have deep issue w/NSA, Patriot Act etc KittyWampus Aug 2013 #108
I think there's only about 10 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Aug 2013 #2
I knew the "Telephone" game by a different name, "Grapevine". jazzimov Aug 2013 #3
We called it "Whisper down the lane" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #82
This "Top 10 Most Inaccurate and Exaggerated NSA Stories" needed to be posted! .. Cha Aug 2013 #5
Da spin, da spin, da spin~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #19
Yes! Pass or Fail is our grading. And, those who have already Failed are the ones Cha Aug 2013 #35
Nor Dignity~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #44
Exactly, she. Cha Aug 2013 #48
Like this guy at his presser.. Cha Aug 2013 #52
K/R CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #15
Can't the raving paranoids go start SnowdenUnderground DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #16
Difficult to start a religious order when your 'messiah' wants nothing to do with his followers. randome Aug 2013 #21
Raving paranoids? burnodo Aug 2013 #22
Say what? Did you read a different transcript? randome Aug 2013 #24
When you're brainwashed with the OPs NSA bullshit stories.. Cha Aug 2013 #38
Logic and reason are increasingly futile here CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #62
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #54
So are you saying massive amounts of data are not being collected? mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #29
Yes, massive amounts of meta data are collected... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #32
companies probably collect more data than the NSA Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #61
You're really going with that line? A defense of NSA? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #67
Pertinent Tweet from John Miller today, she.. Cha Aug 2013 #63
The answer is yes~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #64
Carry on in your Cha Aug 2013 #65
I'm a little surprised none of the most inaccurate stories came FROM the government, hughee99 Aug 2013 #70
K&R Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #71
K&R sheshe! The Whisper Game... Whisp Aug 2013 #72
Thank you Whisp~ sheshe2 Aug 2013 #79
LOL, 17 recs! Congrats! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #77
Why thank you Logical....LOL back at you! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #80
Are you filling in for this shift? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #81
It's my OP, Logical... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #83
Well, you whined about a "crew" so you started the false accusations! You... Logical Aug 2013 #84
Well Logical, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #85
Quit whining! You have a tin foil hat on? ...... Logical Aug 2013 #86
What does... sheshe2 Aug 2013 #90
I see this one's obsession with ProSense is taking a break and Cha Aug 2013 #87
Somewhere George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are laughing their asses off MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #78
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #92
Kickin it 'cause I can! Cha Aug 2013 #93
I think i overestimated your numbers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #96
I don't think it matters what you overestimate. Cha Aug 2013 #97
yeah, well usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #98
Just that you keep kicking the thread. Cha Aug 2013 #101
yep, so everyone sees the comments usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #102
I think you should be enjoying your tombstone. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #109
I could make my own list. There seems to be no quest for facts in DevonRex Aug 2013 #100
So true.. but, I don't think it's for them. that would be wasted Cha Aug 2013 #103
You're right. It's for us. DevonRex Aug 2013 #106
Perfect visual for Cha Aug 2013 #107
That the government is tracking our metadata pretty much without limitations in this JDPriestly Aug 2013 #104
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