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renie408

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66. You know

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:24 PM

Feb 2012

I am not sure that is always the right answer. I get that she was racist and, seriously, ignorant. But if you read her post about her partner, I think a lot of it stems from the financial pressure they are under. It is natural to want to blame somebody. In this case, they are blaming immigrants for her partner's lack of work. I happen to know from painful personal experience that it is mostly just this shitty economy and the housing bust. And that certainly wasn't the fault of immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

If we keep kicking people off for not being quite up to our standards, then we are going to wind up talking to ourselves. Yeah, there are some people here solely to stir up shit and they need to go. But that is not the feeling I got from this one.

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Should illegal immigrants ever be separated from their US citizen children? [View all] Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 OP

the separations should be reduced Enrique Feb 2012 #1

Based on what criteria? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #5

On the fact that it's psychologically traumatic for both parents and children? nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #157

Deportation happens to thousands of parents, every year. The "anchor baby" is a RW myth. leveymg Feb 2012 #2

The question is "should" they. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #4

If you ask the families, the answer is obvious. leveymg Feb 2012 #10

Yes, our system is a mess. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #12

The range of options heard on this issue extends from the center-right to the far-right. leveymg Feb 2012 #15

Yes. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3

We generally don't imprison people for jaywalking Scootaloo Feb 2012 #9

We generally do not deport then for jaywalking either. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #13

Deportation isn't a punishment. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #20

"Deportation isn't a punishment." ON WHAT PLANET? aquart Feb 2012 #129

If you kick me out of your living room, it's not punishment for being naughty. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #141

It damn well is a punishment for being "naughty." aquart Feb 2012 #144

That's kinda where I'm at. renie408 Feb 2012 #22

The biggest problem Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #100

Actually there are two conjoined problems Scootaloo Feb 2012 #112

This is the single best (and most depressing) thread I've read on this topic here. BlueIris Feb 2012 #136

It's simply a matter of supply and demand Major Nikon Feb 2012 #120

Kinda hard to raise a family on 9 bucks an hour cash no benefits or taxes. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2012 #126

When ICE picks you up, they generally don't take you home to pack EFerrari Feb 2012 #18

It is a false issue. former9thward Feb 2012 #6

What if the child is older? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #8

If they are not deported then what would be done with them? former9thward Feb 2012 #11

Yes. Put them in the "already overburdened foster child program". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #26

Hope you are not a parent if you think that is the answer. former9thward Feb 2012 #70

I am a parent and I think that is the answer. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #94

I'm sorry but that is inaccurate. The Obama policy EFerrari Feb 2012 #138

The system is imperfect lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #142

The system is much worse than imperfect. EFerrari Feb 2012 #143

Thousands of Kids Lost From Parents In U.S. Deportation System EFerrari Feb 2012 #24

Your link is almost all about detention not deportation. former9thward Feb 2012 #71

There is a link to the whole report at the link I provided. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #73

If the children get away ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #7

Absolutely not. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #14

Why? renie408 Feb 2012 #17

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #23

Sounds like the Tea Party platform. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #36

No, actually I am far from the Tea Party as you can get. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #40

And in addition to Mexicans, C. Americans, S. Americans time for me to fly Feb 2012 #25

And you know this....how? renie408 Feb 2012 #31

I have lived in a community that became heavily Mexican time for me to fly Feb 2012 #33

"Heavily Mexican"...Oh. Now I get it. renie408 Feb 2012 #38

I read it as "Heavenly Mexican" Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #103

If they are born here, THIS is their 'homeland'. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #72

No. They should not be separated. renie408 Feb 2012 #16

No, and it used to not happen until the immigrants in question Cleita Feb 2012 #19

Puleeze. Even with the "brown" people time for me to fly Feb 2012 #28

And what is the 'massive issue' again? renie408 Feb 2012 #32

I am talking about where I live, which welcomes undocumented people. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #35

... renie408 Feb 2012 #39

Mexican immigration is at a 60 year low. EFerrari Feb 2012 #54

Perhaps lack of food and opportunity make these people risk all. Cleita Feb 2012 #43

That's an anedote though. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #30

Yes, it's an anecdote, however, I challenge you to Cleita Feb 2012 #42

I believe manner of entry has a lot to do with it. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #44

In the larger cities it's harder for the authorities to crack down. Cleita Feb 2012 #47

Illegal workers of all stripes should definitely be the focus. nt. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #49

Or, since the workers are actually needed, we need new laws Cleita Feb 2012 #53

Same as H1B workers. A needed resource. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #56

I guess you're being sarcastic. Cleita Feb 2012 #91

Who wants to do IT? Better to let hard workers from India do it. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #92

We both know that isn't what I'm talking about. Cleita Feb 2012 #95

So it's wrong for brown people to do white-collar jobs, because they are meant to Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #96

Is it? You are the one going there so please explain your Cleita Feb 2012 #98

You said: Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #99

Boy the straw men keep coming. Cleita Feb 2012 #101

Sounded like code to me. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #102

Yes, that's why it shouldn't be illegal. Cleita Feb 2012 #104

No civilized country in the world has open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #106

Allowing people who want to work for people who Cleita Feb 2012 #107

Isn't that exactly what H1B visas are? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #108

Well, I don't think IT engineers will pick vegetables frankly. Cleita Feb 2012 #109

So once again unskilled labor should just suck it up while the princes of the corporate world should Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #110

So, I was suspicious you weren't really wanting a discussion Cleita Feb 2012 #113

Very interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Feb 2012 #111

The reason for this has to do with the manner of entry - whether it's with or without inspection WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2012 #41

Actually, one of the Mexican cooks in a place I worked at used to fly in with Cleita Feb 2012 #46

The alternative is The T Don Hutto Detention Center w8liftinglady Feb 2012 #21

No. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #27

I bet if some of these people were from europe or Canada we wouldn't even be talking southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #29

Interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #34

Good point. But it would be nice if our countries who shared borders would allow workers to southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #52

The EU has essentially done that, but has fairly strict economic requirements to join. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #57

On our borders (Canada, US and Mexican borders) southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #59

Canada and the US would probably qualify. Mexico would likely have to bring up its economy. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #60

That is interesting. Lets home they can get rid of that real serious drug cartel and maybe it southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #62

You are being very offensive to my partner and other Americans! time for me to fly Feb 2012 #37

Ok, I am glad you figured out the smiley thing... renie408 Feb 2012 #48

Around here most construction workers are American born making $12-$15 Nikia Feb 2012 #154

Well first off I am married to a man that was adopted and brought here to the states legally. I southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #51

"Maybe you live in a very White area and can idealize this issue." EFerrari Feb 2012 #58

Yeah... renie408 Feb 2012 #61

Poster has been escorted out of the building. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #64

You know renie408 Feb 2012 #66

She is a repeating disruptor who has been banned literally 100's of times. cbayer Feb 2012 #67

Ahhhh...didn't realize that. renie408 Feb 2012 #69

"The way you wear your hat, the way you sip your tea --" EFerrari Feb 2012 #75

I doubt that removing the trash will result in a lack of countervailing opinions EFerrari Feb 2012 #68

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #151

you are correct....the irish are second in illegal immigration madrchsod Feb 2012 #50

Unless a policeman was around one of them they wouldn't no any better unless the person southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #55

Yep. aquart Feb 2012 #130

A little off topic, but if you want to see an incredible and heartbreaking documentary about cbayer Feb 2012 #45

Mom and child are natural born citizens HockeyMom Feb 2012 #63

That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #65

Wtf? On what basis do you suggest American citizens be deported? EFerrari Feb 2012 #74

Read post 63. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #76

And? EFerrari Feb 2012 #77

? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #78

That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #87

I can see how if you say it with a different tone it may mean something different. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #90

In an aquaintances case, they all decided to go to Japan Nikia Feb 2012 #155

I am repeating what I have heard people say HockeyMom Feb 2012 #156

No. Period. Full-Stop. End-Of-Story. n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #79

Should that apply to all illegal immigrants or just the one's who can have children here? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #80

All the undocumented immigrants with US citizen children. Chan790 Feb 2012 #84

So if you are sterile or unattractive then that is a disadvantage? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #89

No but it does mean families should affirmatively be kept together. EFerrari Feb 2012 #93

But you are disadvantaged if you can't have a family or can't have one quickly enough. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #97

In the sense that your relatives can't be mistreated if you don't have any, sure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #105

Why would you want to be somewhere where you and your descendants will be mistreated? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #147

No. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #81

Should that also apply to illegal immigrants without children? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #82

it should apply to both parents. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #85

Makes sense. Like H1B Visas. People just coming here to make a better life. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #88

Gosh, if I could only make a list of folks I'd like to see ejected from *my* USA. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #83

What if the ones deported aren't Mexican? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86

OK Oasis_ Feb 2012 #114

I imagine it fundamentally boils down to whether one believes... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #116

The reality is that the world is made up of borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119

Hence, the reason many people prioritize LanternWaste Feb 2012 #121

No country could survive open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #122

You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your premise. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #123

I am just responding to what you have stated. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #124

less like a musing, and more as an absolutist prognostication LanternWaste Feb 2012 #125

Nothing exists a vacuum. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #127

And yet you lock your doors at night. So there must be *some* boundary line Romulox Feb 2012 #133

Economic refugees aren't thieves, they're workers. EFerrari Feb 2012 #137

Never a good idea not to lock your doors no matter where you are. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #148

Not sticky to me. Separating parents from children is inhumane. aquart Feb 2012 #117

So there would be some incentive to being pregnant or impregnating someone Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #118

Yes, dear. aquart Feb 2012 #128

A couple of things. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #132

A couple of things. The vast majority of parents are concerned about their children. EFerrari Feb 2012 #139

It's not about priorities. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #146

And citizens who've committed crimes--no jail if they have children? Romulox Feb 2012 #131

Maybe just reduced sentences? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #134

this is such a strange discussion shireen Feb 2012 #135

They are our neighbors that we invaded with NAFTA and killed their ag sector, too. EFerrari Feb 2012 #140

There was no illegal immigration before NAFTA? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #149

NAFTA and Mexico's Agrarian Apocalypse EFerrari Feb 2012 #153

Your facts are repulsive jupiter chakra Feb 2012 #152

Thank you! This comment says it better than I could have. nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #158

Santorum weighs in: ... tells tea party group he'd be willing to break up illegal immigrant families pampango Feb 2012 #145

Thanks. That was the thread I was referring to in the OP. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #150