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AverageJoe90

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122. I didn't think so either. And I still don't. Because he isn't.

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:13 AM

Aug 2013

Regardless of what may come out of this.....Snowden is still not a fucking hero. Never was. And in fact, there's been plenty of evidence suggesting that he was up to no good; his support for Ron Paul and his hypocrisy regarding how leakers oughta be treated is just the tip of the iceberg. And yet, some people on here can't seem to see through him. I thought we were supposed to be more informed than the average American?

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You know, I didn't think Snowden was some kind of hero. Until today. [View all] burnodo Aug 2013 OP

It's generally the way things work. Kick and Rec. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #1

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #2

ummm...on his jock? burnodo Aug 2013 #5

It's the standard homophobia flavored personal insult from the folks who seek to make reasoned Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #15

But it's only the Snowden/Greenwald supporters who resort to name calling and smears MNBrewer Aug 2013 #52

That is not a homophobic insult. Fringe Aug 2013 #99

Opposite, actually Scootaloo Aug 2013 #126

No it does not mean that either. Fringe Aug 2013 #144

I think it means you were morningfog Aug 2013 #67

Ahh shit the post got hidden HangOnKids Aug 2013 #73

"On his jock"? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #16

What a rude post. City Lights Aug 2013 #20

"You people"? pa28 Aug 2013 #21

Awhhh man you're paying attention, that comment was meant to deride the whole thread. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #168

LOL, you must've struck a nerve with the jock comment. phleshdef Aug 2013 #23

And what does "on his jock" mean? burnodo Aug 2013 #25

I highly doubt that needs to be explained to you, its a very common phrase. phleshdef Aug 2013 #26

I asked the question burnodo Aug 2013 #29

I wouldn't mind an explanation, I've never heard that phrase before either. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31

me either I googled it and the answer I got was equivalent to brown nosing HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #32

Yea it can mean brown nosing or it can also mean riding someone's case. phleshdef Aug 2013 #34

on his jock? burnodo Aug 2013 #37

Its a pretty widely accepted figure of speech for such situations. phleshdef Aug 2013 #42

So what was Cali saying? burnodo Aug 2013 #49

Read the OP subject title for context. phleshdef Aug 2013 #55

So, you're not able to answer the question burnodo Aug 2013 #59

You would only say I didn't answer it if you are either illiterate or dishonest. phleshdef Aug 2013 #62

I am asking you. And you don't seem to want to answer burnodo Aug 2013 #63

I did answer and you know I did, you just don't want to get off my jock about it. phleshdef Aug 2013 #76

Cali-Democrats post was already hidden burnodo Aug 2013 #78

I don't care. The jury system can kiss my ass. phleshdef Aug 2013 #82

so....no answer burnodo Aug 2013 #87

I voted to leave it alone. Fringe Aug 2013 #102

Thank you. Number23 Aug 2013 #118

You are welcome! Fringe Aug 2013 #145

Jury results Turborama Aug 2013 #96

HAHA! FUnny stuff! burnodo Aug 2013 #100

Dishonest? The phrase implies someone obsequiously clinging to another's crotch. DirkGently Aug 2013 #65

"aaaaaaaaaawwwww, they said sumthin' diiiiirrrtyyyy, awwwwwww" phleshdef Aug 2013 #77

Dirty as a product of an inability to argue with adults, yes. DirkGently Aug 2013 #80

Everyone in this discussion is talking in circles at this point. phleshdef Aug 2013 #84

does "everyone" include you? burnodo Aug 2013 #88

Yep. phleshdef Aug 2013 #89

still no answer burnodo Aug 2013 #90

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! phleshdef Aug 2013 #91

HAHA! A Trek reference. burnodo Aug 2013 #92

Dismantling your attempt at obfuscation was just fun. And easy! DirkGently Aug 2013 #93

You didn't dismantle anything. phleshdef Aug 2013 #94

NO! AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #69

capital C burnodo Aug 2013 #70

Capital C or lower-case c, as said before in "A shout out to DU's Cali" AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #75

We're sub Cali_Democrat's subthread burnodo Aug 2013 #79

At post #49, you expressly referred to "Cali" and not Cali_Democrat. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #105

Please calm down burnodo Aug 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Aug 2013 #150

Thanks. It makes even less sense now in the context in which it was used sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #39

It doesn't just mean brown nosing. phleshdef Aug 2013 #45

Okay, that would make more sense. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #57

Not to me. Poster #2 was trying to deride the OP and claimed that the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #175

IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT? burnodo Aug 2013 #81

That doesnt make sense to me. Brown nosing and riding one's case are rhett o rick Aug 2013 #146

again...context Sheepshank Aug 2013 #151

Fair enough. So what do you think he meant? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #162

They're saying you're riding his dick, to put it bluntly. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #120

LOL. No kidding. Now they're pretending to have never heard the term before.... Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #40

There you go again... City Lights Aug 2013 #41

You people are so strange. n//t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #43

Thanks! nt City Lights Aug 2013 #44

NP. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #47

Why do you often resort to personal attacks and name calling? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #114

... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #121

thanks for the attempt to lighten the discussion. truedelphi Aug 2013 #123

Actually, there's lots of people who can't be taken too seriously. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #46

Next time you should say "humping his leg". phleshdef Aug 2013 #50

Who's jock? burnodo Aug 2013 #53

I think it's completely ridiculous that your post was hidden. Fringe Aug 2013 #95

You could clear this all up if you just tell us what you meant. But rhett o rick Aug 2013 #158

I think his obsession with disparaging Snowden and everyone else that doesnt kowtow rhett o rick Aug 2013 #148

You're a rude jerk. I don't know why you're still here. dballance Aug 2013 #28

He/she is extremely divisive. City Lights Aug 2013 #48

Well well well Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #51

Truth hurts - doesn't it? dballance Aug 2013 #60

I call 'em as I see 'em. City Lights Aug 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #83

It appears to me that your reaction is the goal. Not at all interested in rhett o rick Aug 2013 #160

"you people?" mike_c Aug 2013 #56

I have been saying he is a hero from day one, and will go down as a modern day Paul Revere quinnox Aug 2013 #3

Hero Snowden forces Obama to have a "weird" press conference ProSense Aug 2013 #4

better than suffering the torture that Manning suffered burnodo Aug 2013 #6

Yeah, the little fucker should have taken his waterboarding like a man! mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #12

Bingo!..... Little Star Aug 2013 #153

Ever hear the expression: Any port in a storm? caseymoz Aug 2013 #24

. Little Star Aug 2013 #154

Actually he went to Hong Kong and then Russia TomClash Aug 2013 #27

Interesting, the failed strategy of attacking Russia has only made the US sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #38

+1000! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #103

+1000 GoneFishin Aug 2013 #117

double thumbs up for the clear eyed world view Agony Aug 2013 #130

Nice post with some excellent points. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #134

. Little Star Aug 2013 #157

+++++1000000 nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #159

*applauds* LittleGirl Aug 2013 #164

Great post. Spot on. nt laundry_queen Aug 2013 #184

+1 burnodo Aug 2013 #191

"Wag the dawg" is an authoritarian... 99Forever Aug 2013 #7

Good God, you sound like you have anger issues. randome Aug 2013 #9

I wonder if he's ever screamed in someone's ear so loud they became partially deaf? millennialmax Aug 2013 #11

What would a role model be without flaws? randome Aug 2013 #13

So you've talked to Snowden and he said JimDandy Aug 2013 #104

Obviously it's just my opinion. randome Aug 2013 #132

It seems your mission here is to discredit Snowden. Why is that? Do you think rhett o rick Aug 2013 #161

No 'mission' at all. I'm calling it as I see it. Nothing more than that. randome Aug 2013 #171

Yes, and rationalization is the key to happiness. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #174

It's great that we all have opinions. MelungeonWoman Aug 2013 #163

You can't beat armchair Aerows Aug 2013 #165

Too funny usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #115

Did Obama tell Ron Wyden and the other Members of Congress who sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #136

This exactly! Thanks! nt Pholus Aug 2013 #137

'Expressing oneself' is evidence of nothing. randome Aug 2013 #141

ONE, member of Congress?? You really don't know what has been going on, do you?? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #155

"expressing so much concern". randome Aug 2013 #172

Keep running with that "may" narrative. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #196

Plus one! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #135

Here is a great summary from the ACLU of what we've learned to date about the NSA... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #8

Good link, thanks. More people should read it. nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #36

Oh yes, the NSA spies on all of us, klook Aug 2013 #66

Think of him as you like. millennialmax Aug 2013 #10

Maybe we'll have government that abides the Constitution by then. burnodo Aug 2013 #14

Well, you've gotten it partially right...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #18

And who will they be for? Enlighten me. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #19

Probably but, what if he is waiting for the dust to settle and then turn himself in? Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #22

I wouldn't count on that. Countries have gone periods, such as the one sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #113

Very well said, and thank you Sabrina. truedelphi Aug 2013 #124

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #17

Quite a hero you've got there. Amonester Aug 2013 #30

yeah burnodo Aug 2013 #33

your incessant need to push up your post #'s with the most idiotic responses, is pretty lame Sheepshank Aug 2013 #152

Who has released secrets to the Chinese and Russia?? For fear of imprisonment?? THAT sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #156

it would appear you are not following the thread correctly Sheepshank Aug 2013 #167

what are you doing to effect change, typing comfortably from your home? frylock Aug 2013 #177

Uh huh,...the ONLY reason this is being done is because they think they found their scandal. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #35

A real hero comments on Snowden: madamesilverspurs Aug 2013 #58

Ah yes... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #61

Yep. He's no Nelson Mandela like, that's for sure. Amonester Aug 2013 #64

Ah, bringing up prison abuse means my "hair is on fire." backscatter712 Aug 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #116

But Lewis performed his actions in a much different time MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #72

+1 nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #109

Another +1. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #110

Excellent post, backscatter. OP material. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #133

I don't know whether to laugh or sob at your post Number23 Aug 2013 #119

It was a time when getting his ass whipped and thrown in jail LiberalAndProud Aug 2013 #180

"Had Snowden followed that path, he may have martyred himself for no good result." Number23 Aug 2013 #192

I don't think it was just a sign of the times, and didn't say so. LiberalAndProud Aug 2013 #195

Snowden is paying the price for taking that action. What is your point? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #170

Not really shawn703 Aug 2013 #71

ummm....ok burnodo Aug 2013 #74

masturbatory fantasies? frylock Aug 2013 #178

he's almost as heroic Turbineguy Aug 2013 #85

ohhhh! burnodo Aug 2013 #97

well the already widely known actions were well known Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #86

well known...except for the reaction to the revelation burnodo Aug 2013 #98

+1000 dead on correct. nt. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #101

I usually avoid Swowden post like the plague.. Fringe Aug 2013 #108

.......... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #111

Isn't that like joining the military and Fringe Aug 2013 #112

You're saying a good government employee will shut up and obey illegal orders? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #129

Im saying he knew the job when he took it. Fringe Aug 2013 #142

In your argument against Snowden, you conveniently leave out how our truedelphi Aug 2013 #125

Seriously? Fringe Aug 2013 #147

I didn't think so either. And I still don't. Because he isn't. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #122

"You know, I didn't think Snowden was some kind of hero. Until today." LOL! Number23 Aug 2013 #127

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #128

The sanctimony of the State Enthusiast Aug 2013 #131

welcome to the club nradisic Aug 2013 #138

"Pity the country that needs heroes" ~ Bertolt Brecht nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #139

I didn't need a hero burnodo Aug 2013 #190

Id rather not label him Bradical79 Aug 2013 #140

glad to see open minds like yours questionseverything Aug 2013 #181

Looks like some anti-Snowden heads exploded in here. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #143

Protect The Sanctimony Of the State = Protect The Oligarchs And Corporations And Duplicitous Politicians cantbeserious Aug 2013 #149

Meh, vindictive criminal then vindictive criminal now. great white snark Aug 2013 #166

He totally worked over the comfort of the security state burnodo Aug 2013 #189

you wrote " Obama scrambling to make his lie on Leno's show seem all the more palatable" Progressive dog Aug 2013 #169

"a hate for a Democratic president and government" burnodo Aug 2013 #188

I'm not making things up Progressive dog Aug 2013 #193

his buddies? burnodo Aug 2013 #200

His buddies, the ones who call him hero, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #202

"protect the sanctimony of the State"... SidDithers Aug 2013 #173

Don't worry, Sid burnodo Aug 2013 #187

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #176

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #179

Being anti-"State" is a catostrophically wrong and poor decision. gulliver Aug 2013 #182

Judgmental much? burnodo Aug 2013 #186

well said blackspade Aug 2013 #183

Thanks! burnodo Aug 2013 #185

So now a hero is defined by someone being a traitor, who would have known. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #194

he's a "traitor" because the spying unconstitutional government says so burnodo Aug 2013 #197

And he's a "hero" because, you and a few others say so. Of course he is, that is what heroes do 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #198

LIKE VALERIE PLAME?! burnodo Aug 2013 #199

Well see I learned something new today Ms Plame stole from her employer 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #201