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JDPriestly

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53. Depends on whether you consider prosecuting and possibly imprisoning a person for telling the truth
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 04:16 AM
Aug 2013

about a government's overreaching and surveillance of citizens to be political persecution.

To begin at the beginning, if Snowden is threatened with prosecution for a political crime, for his opinions and for dissenting or violating an unjust law, then he is entitled to political asylum.

If you think that Snowden is not facing prosecution for a political crime,and you see him not as a dissident but rather as a criminal, then you think he is not entitled to asylum.

So you have to make a judgment about the nature of Snowden's action,whether he faces potential prosecution for a non-political crime in which case he is not entitled to asylum or whether he faces prosecution for a political crime in which case he is entitled to asylum.

Either point of view can be easily rationalized and justified. As long as Snowden stays in countries that believe that Snowden would be unjustly tried and sentenced for what is essentially a political crime, then he is entitled to asylum in those countries.

The opinion of the US on this issue is only relevant if the U.S. can get a hold of him. And the harder they try to get him, the more oppressive the US government will appear to many in the world.

The US has granted asylum to many fugitives from justice who were avoiding trials and imprisonment for crimes like murder of political opponents. A few of them are still in the US.

This is a matter for each sovereign nation to decide for itself. If a country wants to give Snowden asylum, then he is entitled to asylum in that country. It isn't any of our business in the US.

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Lol. The NYT loses its relevance on a daily basis. dkf Aug 2013 #1
LOL, keep trying. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #2
Kick! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #3
By Flying Spaghetti Monster, you are a one woman storm! burnodo Aug 2013 #4
You don't like the NYT editorial? ProSense Aug 2013 #5
did I say that? No! burnodo Aug 2013 #6
you have spent weeks trying to cloud the issue... bowens43 Aug 2013 #9
OK, you also don't like the NYT editorial. ProSense Aug 2013 #11
Even today Prosense will not admit Snowden changed the discussion. Sad. Pitiful. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #16
I'm not sad. Why would I change my opinion of Snowden? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #18
You can hate and despise snowden. And still admit that he started a discussion that needed.... Logical Aug 2013 #22
Snowden didn't start the discussion. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #23
+1 Bazillion Egnever Aug 2013 #33
LOL, yes, nothing has been different since his leak.... Logical Aug 2013 #38
No, I'm extremely serious, and ProSense Aug 2013 #39
Serious? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #43
Oh my goodness burnodo Aug 2013 #63
Why do you purposely spell her name wrong? Sad. Pitiful. NT sheshe2 Aug 2013 #42
Wrong? How? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #45
LOL, do you like any of them that disagrees with Obama? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #15
why snowden hasn't "hired you" .. is the big mystery. Cha Aug 2013 #19
Chiming in, Cha?!? burnodo Aug 2013 #20
What do you think? Cha Aug 2013 #24
about? burnodo Aug 2013 #26
She is burnodo, sheshe2 Aug 2013 #40
who said I had a problem? burnodo Aug 2013 #41
LOL, all she does is post links to stories that she agrees with! Force??? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #46
Don't worry, Obama will probably get him with a drone......... bowens43 Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, that's about as stupid as it gets around here. Cha Aug 2013 #29
The USA has no extradition treaty with Russia. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #8
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #14
But, but, but, she HATES him! RetroLounge Aug 2013 #28
NSA domestic spying is STILL wrong AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #10
'Cold War Barry' markiv Aug 2013 #12
Ah, I nearly forgot about that RW address of the President. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #13
Curtis Lemay way not named 'Bombs Away' by his parents markiv Aug 2013 #37
What may have CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #44
it was a play on cold warrier Barry Goldwater markiv Aug 2013 #58
Plus whatever. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #60
Whether the NYT likes it or not . . . Brigid Aug 2013 #17
That's right.. and Russia thinks it's a great idea. Cha Aug 2013 #21
You have cut the sentence short. This technique first became a habit snappyturtle Aug 2013 #35
How does shortening that particular sentence "smear" Snowden? pnwmom Aug 2013 #50
I see it this way: putting that lone sentence out there without the snappyturtle Aug 2013 #55
Obama can collect him and give him a ride back to the US on Airforce One! Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #25
This is why snowden is cowering to Putin.. Cha Aug 2013 #27
I was hoping the first time was a misquote....but again? snappyturtle Aug 2013 #36
Yawn RetroLounge Aug 2013 #30
Fears should not qualify the government to violate the Constitutional rights of the American people AppleBottom Aug 2013 #31
Very astute. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #54
He's a Paulbot Turbineguy Aug 2013 #32
Greatest film tribute to NYT of all time markiv Aug 2013 #34
Originally, snowden wanted that sweet gig in Iceland.. did he think that would Cha Aug 2013 #47
"or their political beliefs" sounds like they undermined their own "argument" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #48
you would think if he was so irrelavent JesterCS Aug 2013 #49
They can keep him. bravenak Aug 2013 #51
After what happened to Manning in pre-trial detention PorridgeGun Aug 2013 #52
Depends on whether you consider prosecuting and possibly imprisoning a person for telling the truth JDPriestly Aug 2013 #53
Snowden ProSense Aug 2013 #57
If they don't want him speaking out overseas, then they should grant him amnesty and invite JDPriestly Aug 2013 #61
Snowden forced Obama to face the music on the NSA spying..... Logical Aug 2013 #62
But Dick Cheney's fears did, acc to NYTimes, justify invading Iraq kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #56
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #59
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