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9. I think there will be a move by Congress to provide more 'transparency'
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:24 AM
Aug 2013

I can't see that effort pulling the lid off of the more insidious provisions of the 9-11 era intelligence regime, and that's really what we need to get at - issues related to e-mails and other private communications which involve the new and emerging technology. Somehow, government is bent on carving out special exceptions and denying new forms of communication like internet and cellphones protections that ordinary private communications have been provided by the law - like phone or postage communications.

Moreover, there is definitely an effort by this present administration - much like the past one - to string Congress along until they come up with a plan which doesn't put them or their present snooping efforts in jeopardy, or make them liable for any overreach, illegality, or impropriety, as legislators uncover and reform the system of collecting data and intelligence.

It's almost certain that the administrations efforts have gone beyond what many legislators believe is the letter and intent of the protections they provided in earlier legislation. It's the finer points of Obama administration rationale and legal justifications for their own snooping which have not been completely forthcoming from the WH.

It's that deliberately 'greyed' area which is the key to whether there will be real reform of the system of intelligence, or, just tweaks and polish to make Americans more comfortable - or more willing - to accept these intrusions of privacy and the limiting or evisceration of rights.

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Murphy is always waiting. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #1
Yet, the basic problem seems to remain elusive HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #2
I think there will be a move by Congress to provide more 'transparency' bigtree Aug 2013 #9
Well I must say that is an interesting approach to that problem. bemildred Aug 2013 #3
on one hand, I'd think it would be better to have less eyes on the mass of data bigtree Aug 2013 #4
One only collects everything for one of two reasons: bemildred Aug 2013 #7
so right. Garbage in, garbage out bigtree Aug 2013 #12
They are also engineers who like to solve technical challenges Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #25
Only too true. Strange and beautiful (sometimes) things get done. bemildred Aug 2013 #34
"Anal retentive fantasies of being able to do something useful with it" YEP, but it's not Anal Th1onein Aug 2013 #31
Very snotty way of putting it jmowreader Aug 2013 #41
Yep, once you know who a guy is, that's a good time to look into what they did before. bemildred Aug 2013 #43
Yep. Hopefully, this will end well. RC Aug 2013 #5
I think it's safe to say it has already not ended well, except it is by no means ended. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #8
So they say n/t fredamae Aug 2013 #6
Well one thing Snowden has done to reduce outside contractors. And that's good. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #10
Gotta admit...the headline word "eliminate" dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #11
So now there are a bunch of disgruntled systems administrators running around? Brigid Aug 2013 #13
For the moment they are still gruntled hootinholler Aug 2013 #18
He's not doing this to LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #14
It's an increasingly paranoid circle that keeps drawing smaller and smaller circles around itself. reformist2 Aug 2013 #16
The circle of people "in the know" is shrinking to an increasingly elite few. Not a good thing. reformist2 Aug 2013 #15
how long before the system becomes self aware dembotoz Aug 2013 #17
Becomes? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #23
That is amusing... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #19
Talk about leaks! Whoa! This was NOT a good move. Th1onein Aug 2013 #29
"We've decided to destroy every NSA computer" Dash87 Aug 2013 #20
Now all this work can be done without involving a human, hughee99 Aug 2013 #21
Wait I thought that not just anybody could access the information that Snowden was talking about. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #22
Good catch, AppleBottom! Th1onein Aug 2013 #28
They think that if the throw out enough garbage propaganda we'll get tired. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #45
+1000! n/t ljm2002 Aug 2013 #32
Get those humans out of here! They may have CONSCIENCES!! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #24
Wahahahaha! Thank you for that! Th1onein Aug 2013 #27
+1 liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #33
+10000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #39
Cat's out of the bag, boys; horses out of the barn. TOO LATE. YOU LOSE. Th1onein Aug 2013 #26
+1 wtmusic Aug 2013 #35
Those getting their pink slips can thank Snowden and Greenwald. millennialmax Aug 2013 #30
Why can't they cash in too? wtmusic Aug 2013 #36
Coming from someone with your avatar, that's rich. millennialmax Aug 2013 #37
Evil Greenwald and nasty Snowden!111 bobduca Aug 2013 #38
If you make a living by violating people's Constitutional rights, backscatter712 Aug 2013 #46
Welcome Skynet! Sancho Aug 2013 #40
Darn... I was gonna use that one... whttevrr Aug 2013 #48
Good. jmowreader Aug 2013 #42
Gee, you'd almost think they have something to hide. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #44
Wow, so they don't want anyone at the helm of the Titanic? Rex Aug 2013 #47
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