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In reply to the discussion: "Edward Snowden broke the law by releasing classified information. This isn't under debate" [View all]Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)-Waterboarding
-Rendition
-Solitary confinement (PFC Manning)
-Indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation
So they can take Snowden, send him to a secret prison anywhere in the world, stuff him in a hole for the rest of his life without trial or representation and waterboard him anytime they wish, and it's all "legal".
WTF is it going to take to get people to wake up to what is going on in this country, and who is doing it to us!
For further reading:
Indefinite Detention, Endless Worldwide War and the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act
http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-detention-endless-worldwide-war-and-2012-national-defense-authorization-act
"On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAAs dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president and all future presidents to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.
Make a Difference
The breadth of the NDAAs worldwide detention authority violates the Constitution and international law because it is not limited to people captured in an actual armed conflict, as required by the laws of war. Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way. The ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the United States. Any presidents claim of domestic military detention authority under the NDAA would be unconstitutional and illegal. Nevertheless, there is substantial public debate around whether the NDAA could be read even to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act and authorize indefinite military detention without charge or trial within the United States.
Although President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had serious reservations about the NDAAs detention provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use them, and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations. The provisions which were negotiated by a small group of members of Congress, in secret, and without proper congressional review are inconsistent with fundamental American values.
Both Congress and the president need to clean up the mess they have created. No one should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAAs detention authority. The NDAAs detention provisions must be repealed."
(Obama has now signed this provision twice, and and Chris Hedges et al. sued him to overturn it, and succeeded [a judge ruled section 1021 unConstitutional], Obama sent lawyers and got it reinstated. Shows you what he truly cares about.)
Posting this even though it flies out into thin air and no one can actually see it.