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57. My friend who I spoke of in my previous email is an Obama Mama.

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:57 PM

Aug 2013

I don't think she wants to admit disappointment in him, so she's been avoiding DU.

I voted for Kucinich in 2008 myself. I knew it would never happen, but he was my preference. I knew either Hillary or Obama would get the nomination. When my friend would extol the wonderfulness of Obama, I expressed hesitancy, and she didn't like that. But I'm also not naive. I knew then only a Republicanesque candidate could ever be elected as a Dem prez in this "aren't Jesus and sports and guns wonderful?" America, and in this climate, we have to be grateful for whatever crumbs we get.

Here's what I think of Dem and Repub pols.

The Dem pol is an old man on a park bench tossing crumbs to pigeons.
The Repub pol is an old man shooting pigeons.
We're, of course, the pigeons.

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Lavabit founder: 'If You Knew What I Know About Email, You Might Not Use It' [View all] wtmusic Aug 2013 OP

Waiting on the Snowden/Greewald haters Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #1

The Character Assassins May Be Waiting For New Government Talking Points cantbeserious Aug 2013 #3

I really do not understand Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #8

"Fuck, here comes the police state." Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #28

I am afraid that I don't subscribe to that theory Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #34

Because war means nothing without profit. nt valerief Aug 2013 #77

"logic tests"? You mean like how NORAD "failed"? You mean like how Bush's brother WinkyDink Aug 2013 #111

Sorry Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #120

It took me a bit... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #84

When we got news in the office of a second plane hitting the WTC, my first reaction was, valerief Aug 2013 #46

A number of the NSA supporters Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #53

My friend who I spoke of in my previous email is an Obama Mama. valerief Aug 2013 #57

Excellent anology Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #62

Ha! I believe it used to be called brainwashing. valerief Aug 2013 #63

MAy I add that they are sitting on the same godam bench elehhhhna Aug 2013 #66

Yes, you may. You're right. And it's in Central Park. Thanks! nt valerief Aug 2013 #71

Excellent analogy arikara Aug 2013 #73

Go for it. nt valerief Aug 2013 #93

+1000 rosesaylavee Aug 2013 #104

Yes! "We're, of course, the pigeons." WinkyDink Aug 2013 #113

Great quote about the pigeons Bryn Aug 2013 #128

Nope. I thought of it ages ago and have posted here a few times. It seems to fit. nt valerief Aug 2013 #130

my first thought was similar left is right Aug 2013 #76

someone on another thread with an ungodly amount of posts next to their name roguevalley Aug 2013 #92

while i think there are paid iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #97

Skinner on "paid shills" arely staircase Aug 2013 #122

Mine Was Oh Shit--The Bush Presidency Isn't Going To Be Joke Anymore---God Help Us BlueManFan Aug 2013 #91

and green lantern n/t nebenaube Aug 2013 #95

Mine was "We have an idiot in charge" eom MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #94

agreed..just why are they so determined to push the 'terra' line and why Swagman Aug 2013 #100

Fear is the mind killer. gulliver Aug 2013 #115

I think they already got them Aerows Aug 2013 #9

+1000 nenagh Aug 2013 #13

No they're out in force today Warpy Aug 2013 #51

Hundreds of blue links have been sent already. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #64

Damn it, Cherokeeprogressive! Th1onein Aug 2013 #125

"In America, we�re not supposed to have to worry about watching our words..." PSPS Aug 2013 #2

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4

It's like CU4P (Corporations United for Profit) nt AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2013 #35

Yep, it's now the USSA. nt valerief Aug 2013 #45

So much for our constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech! Frosty1 Aug 2013 #80

This is so true. defacto7 Aug 2013 #127

Read the whole article at the link GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #5

Yes. wtmusic Aug 2013 #6

So are we allowed to call this guy a patriot? dkf Aug 2013 #7

A Patriot In My Eyes cantbeserious Aug 2013 #10

He has company: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #69

I'd rather the huy just comes out and says everything. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #11

It would be too much to ask. It's so sad that doing the right thing is against the law. dkf Aug 2013 #14

The law is obviously unconstitutional. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #15

What would they be charging him with anyway? dkf Aug 2013 #20

Something from the Patriot Act, probably, enlightenment Aug 2013 #26

They would be charged under 18 USC � 1510, section (e) NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #36

Wow. That's significant. dkf Aug 2013 #70

Constitutionality is determined by the USSC. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #103

9 justices and an issue that crosses the left/right divide, pretty good I think. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #105

What are the penalties for ignoring a NSL Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #17

Assuming the Gov't won in court. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #37

So 'free market' is when the gov want you be free. nt bonniebgood Aug 2013 #12

Well thanks for not warning me you prick. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #16

Bravo you win...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #18

It's possible he would have had to turn over all of your communications wtmusic Aug 2013 #22

Ultimately by the NSA, no doubt. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #29

Totally understand why you're pissed wtmusic Aug 2013 #31

This is the power of the NSA gag order, if you say anything you go to jail. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #39

I get that. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #42

Before calling him a prick... vanlassie Aug 2013 #50

You should re-read my post, then. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #56

Re-read mine. vanlassie Aug 2013 #59

I don't think I need - or will ever get - more details. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #60

Failure of imagination, my friend. You are vanlassie Aug 2013 #78

I'm not omnipotent. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #79

On friday, Lavabit employees, including the owner may have honestly and earnestly believed that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #87

It would be an astonishing coincidence if there Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #99

Not exactly what I meant. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #118

I can't think of one reason I wouldn't use my e-mail. Tikki Aug 2013 #19

Not now...but if they collect enough of your email and stash it for some day AllyCat Aug 2013 #108

Well, the NSA has been around for 60 years and I have been politically... Tikki Aug 2013 #119

You are right: we are of no consequence. So why are they collecting our data? AllyCat Aug 2013 #132

Interesting ProSense Aug 2013 #21

These services need to be moved to another country PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #23

Very interesting. MineralMan Aug 2013 #24

IMO if you're going to extreme lengths to encrypt end-to-end wtmusic Aug 2013 #27

No, not necessarily. MineralMan Aug 2013 #30

You're assuming the NSA can distinguish between what's "interesting" or not wtmusic Aug 2013 #33

Metadata. MineralMan Aug 2013 #38

You have no evidence that's how it works. wtmusic Aug 2013 #43

But I don't have a lot of communications with someone in Yemen. MineralMan Aug 2013 #44

I'm as boring as you are?! That cuts. wtmusic Aug 2013 #48

I'm not stuck in the late 1960s, you know. MineralMan Aug 2013 #52

I usually click on your OPs; greiner3 Aug 2013 #109

OK. Your choice. MineralMan Aug 2013 #110

Tice claimed they looked at Congress, media, business etc. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #67

Have you ever seen the crazy list of words that they watch for? arikara Aug 2013 #74

mineral man said questionseverything Aug 2013 #114

^This is the point of this whole argument. 7wo7rees Aug 2013 #89

"We trust them with financial, credit information. The government isn't interested in that stuff." progressoid Aug 2013 #47

The government has access to financial transactions already, MineralMan Aug 2013 #49

So, money launderers are honest when they file bank forms? progressoid Aug 2013 #54

Yah, OK, then. MineralMan Aug 2013 #55

I don't. progressoid Aug 2013 #61

No, but they DO have to have WARRANTS and those have to be SPECIFIC. Th1onein Aug 2013 #124

I probably wouldn't post on message boards either, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #25

Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2013 #32

We/you/me aren't the one that makes the judgement about whether you should be snooped on. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #68

Yes, it certainly is in someone's imagination Progressive dog Aug 2013 #81

I'll continue to use the Gmail account I've had for 6+ years, worry free. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #40

Poor guy the NSA gag order prevented him from telling his customers the whole truth. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #41

The NSA is welcome to read my email bhikkhu Aug 2013 #58

well, sure, then you won't mind giving me your email address and password, right? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #107

We trust different people for different reasons bhikkhu Aug 2013 #116

people like you scare the ever-loving shit out of me TorchTheWitch Aug 2013 #134

Totally amazing ,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #65

Realize the same ones are likely also pro-Marijuania decriminalization whistler162 Aug 2013 #83

really? RainDog Aug 2013 #98

Please I use Google and Yahoo mail. Rex Aug 2013 #72

"This is about protecting all of our users" moondust Aug 2013 #75

No. wtmusic Aug 2013 #86

It really would have just sounded like so much crazy talk years ago nolabels Aug 2013 #102

Most troubling is Obama's support for this "totalitarian right-wing zealots wet dream" wtmusic Aug 2013 #117

Guarantee they'll toss him in jail if he deletes anything. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #88

The NSA doesn't spy on American citizens when they are in a foreign land. Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #82

Right. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #112

And so it begins. The government knows where Snowden is. What more do they need to know? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #85

Sure is a funny thing how the founders erected the government to serve the people nolabels Aug 2013 #121

Yes. Terrorism is such a lame excuse. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #123

They have run out credible enemies nolabels Aug 2013 #129

I agree with this. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #131

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knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #90

It was a failing business/service iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #96

It started to feel like a bad joke long before this happened. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #101

The fact that I can�t talk about this is as big a problem as what they asked me to do. --says it ALL Civilization2 Aug 2013 #106

I think we all know now, thanks to a courageous whistle blower and journalist usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #126