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84. well at this point

Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:58 PM

Aug 2013

since most everything is so secretive we really do not know if those dishes are done or not

our goverment was founded on a system of checks and balances....that has been denied since congress is not even allowed to know the entirety of the program and the few that know some details are not allowed to share those details with "we the people"...the judiciary has served as a rubber stamp on the exec and its rules are secret too...not to mention as we learned with the dea story,these programs are being used MORE for ordinary crime than to fight terrorists

GEESH sorry that is such a word salad but it is such a mess it is hard to know where to start

i still want to support current admin and if he can clean this up and get the MIC to stop abusing the 4th amendment he will be remembered well

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NYT: 'Mr. Obama does not seem to understand that the nation needs to hear more than soothing words' [View all] Newsjock Aug 2013 OP

What ProSense Aug 2013 #1

Good question! JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #3

Well Wyden had something to say about that... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #14

To the point ProSense Aug 2013 #17

How very considerate of you... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #22

I actually ProSense Aug 2013 #26

Which of the Congressional bills being proposed do you support? ljm2002 Aug 2013 #69

What a strange question ProSense Aug 2013 #70

it seems PS gets paid by views,.. always non-responsive and deflective, and links to self,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #56

Clownish conspiratorial drivel. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #68

The NY Times would like it if Obama had the FBI kick in the door at the NSA... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #40

"then Congress will have to step in to curb these abuses" CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #2

Frankly, ProSense Aug 2013 #6

Quit spreading your liberal biased reality crap! Facts, schmatz. We want a dictator! freshwest Aug 2013 #82

Even if Congress authorized certain powers... BlueCheese Aug 2013 #7

of course it is. everyone has to toe the constitution even if it means having roguevalley Aug 2013 #12

he's been promising more transparency since the beginning of his first term. Haven't seen any proof liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #4

I really don't understand why he's so passionate about continuing the security state. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #5

Follow the money, maybe. Amonester Aug 2013 #23

I think he sometimes believes words are enough. DirkGently Aug 2013 #8

Money Speaks Louder Than Words cantbeserious Aug 2013 #24

Yes. And it takes political capital to make DirkGently Aug 2013 #36

It's a short step from "Money Trumps Peace" Maedhros Aug 2013 #49

They have bought him a lot of mileage. tblue Aug 2013 #59

I'm ready to see him follow through. DirkGently Aug 2013 #61

Yeah. Any day now. tblue Aug 2013 #97

That crutch he's leaning on is crippling us, though. n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #67

Don't forget the dorky website lol Catherina Aug 2013 #9

Right on tom_kelly Aug 2013 #19

At this point, Obama's words are only working on the "Amen!" crowd quinnox Aug 2013 #10

You don't mince words. mick063 Aug 2013 #28

yup, that whole social security austerity fiasco pissed a lot of duers off quinnox Aug 2013 #33

Opening your eyes is the first step. tblue Aug 2013 #48

+1 LittleBlue Aug 2013 #62

It's been long string of betrayals Doctor_J Aug 2013 #86

PBO is doing "more than soothing words" if the NYT would get their Cha Aug 2013 #11

given that he is using this stuff against our people, he isn't doing anything. roguevalley Aug 2013 #13

PBO is trying to keep us safe.. I have no problem with that. Cha Aug 2013 #16

Where have I heard that before? TransitJohn Aug 2013 #31

I don't care where you've heard it before. Cha Aug 2013 #38

The Leader is Good, the Leader is Great Maedhros Aug 2013 #51

+1..nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #76

LMAO! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #75

Oh, gag. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #43

Just like Bush and Cheney were "keeping us safe"? Hydra Aug 2013 #63

you should. its unconstitutional roguevalley Aug 2013 #71

With an average of 32 posts a day... MattSh Aug 2013 #83

Exactly what the right wingers said about Bush Doctor_J Aug 2013 #87

heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #96

He has been purposing to close Gitmo for 5 years now. zeemike Aug 2013 #18

Oh not that shit again.. you guys need to get a clue and stop spreading Cha Aug 2013 #47

Educate yourself. Maedhros Aug 2013 #52

You educate yourself Cha Aug 2013 #54

I have kept up on what's happening at Guantanamo Bay. Maedhros Aug 2013 #58

Maybe next president. tblue Aug 2013 #53

the congress-republicans-will not give him the money to close it madrchsod Aug 2013 #64

action is for racist Commie-Nazi-libertarian-Democrats! MisterP Aug 2013 #15

"Mr. Obama does not seem to understand" loyalsister Aug 2013 #20

Bush and Obama BOTH deserve such a headline. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #27

Yes, it's a stupid condescending headline from the NYT that brought us Judy Miller. Cha Aug 2013 #39

Perhaps it was condescending; so were the President's remarks markpkessinger Aug 2013 #46

well at this point questionseverything Aug 2013 #84

I bet they chose those words carefully. tblue Aug 2013 #55

You seriously don't remember the NYT bashing Bush????? Doctor_J Aug 2013 #88

AWWWWW but he gives such purty speeches Skittles Aug 2013 #21

Soothing words = BULLSHIT DeSwiss Aug 2013 #25

.... Little Star Aug 2013 #78

Alas, there is a great deal that he doesn't understand. And if you're so far gone that you have to Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #29

So when can we expect the sliming of the NYT to commence? TransitJohn Aug 2013 #30

You didn't hear it from me 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #34

I can totally see that. TransitJohn Aug 2013 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Aug 2013 #50

Thank you NYTimes!! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #32

And then we have Ezra Klein's take on this. "Edward Snowden should be hailed as a hero." totodeinhere Aug 2013 #35

Between Ezra Klein and John Lewis, I take John Lewis any day and he said Snowden was not a hero. Mass Aug 2013 #57

how about if instead of following what someone else thinks, I think for myself. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #73

Excellent point.............nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #77

+1 Little Star Aug 2013 #79

Thank you. Come on, everybody, Snowden doesn't have to go down any other road except Nay Aug 2013 #80

Trust must be earned. Period. n/t NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #41

That's not the title of the article. EC Aug 2013 #42

incorrect, the title can be whatever the duer wants in general discussion quinnox Aug 2013 #44

The NYT *always* refers to the President as "Mr" on second reference. . . Journeyman Aug 2013 #92

I know that. EC Aug 2013 #93

Oh wow...this is not going well nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #45

It is all good and on the up and up,. trust us, we are spying on you for your own good! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #60

Bad citizen, Obey or be deemed a traitor. nt. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #81

I actually thought Obama's press conference today was more fear mongering than soothing. nt. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #65

If the NSA is helping the DEA monitor and arrest drug users, there's GOTTA be a good reason!!!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #66

Damn straight. pacalo Aug 2013 #72

Are people starting to begin to come to realize that Obama says one thing and does another? Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #74

sadly, tender hearted speeches and republican policies are all he is Doctor_J Aug 2013 #85

Just more CYA and PR. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #89

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #90

Why wouldn't all Americans trust their government to always do the right thing when it can be relied indepat Aug 2013 #91

Them what does it need to hear? treestar Aug 2013 #94

Imagine, ProSense Aug 2013 #95