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There Seems to Be a Lack of Information on Civil Disobedience. [View all] MineralMan Aug 2013 OP

Emphatic K n R! People who read Walden, however, should remember that HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #1

That's true. Emerson finally paid the tax MineralMan Aug 2013 #4

LOL - I can only hope my epitaph also includes 'Bit of a bumbler' :) - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #6

Me, too. MineralMan Aug 2013 #8

One person misusing the phrase = a lack of information? Bonobo Aug 2013 #2

It wasn't just one person. There's an entire thread above the first MineralMan Aug 2013 #3

I have no disagreement with your correction. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #5

Thoreau was a cheerleader for John Brown MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #7

Yes, it was interesting. MineralMan Aug 2013 #9

And? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #52

Hell yeah. Or to put it bluntly... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #61

A few Quotes, etc. about Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience" MineralMan Aug 2013 #10

They're not going to teach that in schools. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #11

They used to teach it in schools. MineralMan Aug 2013 #12

Well, often it is truly too difficult for them to grasp. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #15

You sound like a good teacher. That's excellent. MineralMan Aug 2013 #16

Great post. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #33

I'm not sure the problem is 19th Century writing being too difficult to grasp. JoeyT Aug 2013 #23

Well, I was being a bit facetious with that. MineralMan Aug 2013 #25

Most high schools teach about the civil rights battles of the 60's. pnwmom Aug 2013 #18

I'm loathe to say "most" but I'll bet that they only "cover" it if they address it at all. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #22

"Covering a topic...is different from teaching" -- so true. Now everything is 'covered,' but Nay Aug 2013 #28

I acknowledge that I can't speak for how it's taught in most schools or today. pnwmom Aug 2013 #67

Since the 90's the civil rights era of the 60's has largely been glossed over..... blackspade Aug 2013 #62

Wikipedia has a very informative article on actual civil disobedience, not just Thoreau's concept Zorra Aug 2013 #13

Yes. I saw that. There's tons of good info out there. MineralMan Aug 2013 #14

And it also says that being arrested should be expected: pnwmom Aug 2013 #19

That concept, too, originates in Thoreau's writings. MineralMan Aug 2013 #21

The definitions of civil disobedience are not altered simply because some people expect to go to Zorra Aug 2013 #37

And they aren't altered simply because some people decide to run away. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #39

True. Neither going to jail, nor fleeing to avoid prosecution, change the definition Zorra Aug 2013 #49

A key difference between civil disobedience and simple lawbreaking is the willingness pnwmom Aug 2013 #50

Would you apply that to escaping slaves in the 19th century? antigone382 Aug 2013 #63

Most everyone who engages in acts of civil diobedience takes that, and other risks. Zorra Aug 2013 #66

But is no more limited by Thoreau than democracy is limited by Pericles cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #17

Oh, dear. Did I say he owned the term? MineralMan Aug 2013 #20

You did not say that, and I wasn't meaning to criticize you cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #27

You jumped to the point I was about to make. Like Harriet Tubman riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #31

Letter from Birmingham Jail is also instructive: msanthrope Aug 2013 #24

Indeed. I remember reading it not long after it was written. MineralMan Aug 2013 #26

I have found his speeches moving, but I find this letter to be a moral touchstone. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #29

Yes, it is. MineralMan Aug 2013 #30

Yes, it is, but you have to ProSense Aug 2013 #47

I'm so glad you posted this... I don't pretend it will invite needed comment... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #32

Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Aug 2013 #35

Very interesting thread. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #34

Thanks! I wanted to get some basic information posted. MineralMan Aug 2013 #36

I had a professor who said Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #38

Exactly. Civil resistance requires an audience. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #41

I'll say it again: disobeying, then accepting punishment is a useful tactic in certain situations. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #40

You're no doubt correct. But civil disobedience is MineralMan Aug 2013 #42

Call it part of the family of tactics of non-violent direct action or civil resistance to injustice. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #43

Call it whatever you want. MineralMan Aug 2013 #44

Fair enough. Thoreau's required reading. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #45

Yup. That's my point. MineralMan Aug 2013 #46

Yep. And my point - Snowden shouldn't be limited to Thoreau's tactics. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #48

. Little Star Aug 2013 #60

civil disobedience is disobeying a law or order of gov't for political reasons. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #56

Uh, yeah. We've moved on from there, and are talking MineralMan Aug 2013 #57

yes, 'moved on' to new distractions. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #58

Schools? Real schools? Do they have them anymore? I thought everything was PUBLICLY valerief Aug 2013 #51

Yeah, OK...nothing to do with my thread, though. MineralMan Aug 2013 #53

Wait, were you kidding that they don't teach about Thoreau in public school anymore??? reformist2 Aug 2013 #54

I don't think Thoreau is on the curriculum MineralMan Aug 2013 #55

of course it is on the curriculum of many schools. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #59

What I notice about DU posts across the opinion spectrum about civil disobedience is that most Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #64

That's a good idea treestar Aug 2013 #65