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In reply to the discussion: If it was about the baby....there would be social programs to take care of the baby [View all]SunSeeker
(58,297 posts)50. You've got a word missing there, not sure what you mean.
If you are wondering how we got to this subthread, it appears the OP invites the answer that religion is the reason, or at least the justification, for horrific mysogyny. I consider abortion bans, FGM and burqa requirements horrifically mysogynistic practices which are justified by invoking religion. FGM is outlawed in the U.S., but Catholics and evangelicals use their religion to justify complete abortion bans, even in cases of rape and insest. FGM and burqa requirements are most often associated with Islam. It is a fact:
According to the United Nations, it is estimated that over 130 million women have had some form of FGM performed on them. This practice is often associated with the religion of Islam, and is most often perfomed in Middle Eastern and North African countries. In both of the African nations of Somalia and Djibouti, 98% of women have had this procedure.
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/jc.htm
And although the Qur'an does not mention FGM, the Prophet Mohammeds Hadith contains several references to it:
Despite these differences, a commonality exists among these African groups and their reasons for practicing
female circumcision: Islamic and other African religions are one of the primary foundations of female circumcision in Africa.
The sources of the Islamic faith are found in the Quran, the Hadith, the consensus of the entire Islamic community, and the ijihad. There is no reference to female circumcision in the Quran. However, the Prophet Mohammeds Hadith contains several references to the practice. Furthermore, a number of non-recorded, religious fables describe the early foundations of female circumcision in Africa.
female circumcision: Islamic and other African religions are one of the primary foundations of female circumcision in Africa.
The sources of the Islamic faith are found in the Quran, the Hadith, the consensus of the entire Islamic community, and the ijihad. There is no reference to female circumcision in the Quran. However, the Prophet Mohammeds Hadith contains several references to the practice. Furthermore, a number of non-recorded, religious fables describe the early foundations of female circumcision in Africa.
http://lawandreligion.com/sites/lawandreligion.com/files/Platt.pdf
Again, if you think I am wrong and you have authority/links to the contrary, please get back to me okay?
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If it was about the baby....there would be social programs to take care of the baby [View all]
Horse with no Name
Aug 2013
OP
Well, there's enough DU'ers who support the sick, misogynist cultural artifact called "burqa".
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#3
Certainly. In fact, someone just this morning was doing this. I will not call out specific DU'ers
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#10
Here's a link to just one thread out of many. The burqa wars on DU are epic
riderinthestorm
Aug 2013
#13
For the record, defending the burqa is not the same as defending freedom of expression
antigone382
Aug 2013
#70
It's not a case of "supporting" burqas. And I think that we can all agree that no woman anywhere in
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#17
there is NO RELIGIOUS REASON to wear a burqa. It is a cultural artifact, that's it.
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#19
It's not officially a tenet of any religion, but mostly associated with Islam, like the burqa.
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#34
here's what HRW really says from your link (associated with Islam is your interpretation not HRW's)
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#39
what part are you hoping is overlooked could it be this? again from your link and my snip
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#43
I'm not arguing its religious. I KNOW its cultural. That some women believe its religious
riderinthestorm
Aug 2013
#44
Are you saying FGM is associated more with the adherents of some other religion?
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#48
perhaps you should the origins of this subthread and then get back to me okay?
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#49
No I know you are not wrong my first contact with FGM was among Eritrean women
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#51
lol if you wish to potray FMG as a mostly Islamic thing then be my guest, doesn't make it true
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#54
Would we prevent an individual woman from having the procedure done on herself?
antigone382
Aug 2013
#61
Some women believe in FGM based on their religion/culture. Yet the U.S. bans FGM.
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#53
They should not be forced into it, or allowed to practice it on other women.
antigone382
Aug 2013
#62
A bonnet or a hijab is very different from a burqa. They don't blind you like a burqa.
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#66
This has nothing to do with drone attacks; I'm talking about the wearing of burqas in the west.
SunSeeker
Aug 2013
#67
Nevertheless, First Amendment rights trump all other considerations, as far as I'm concerned.
antigone382
Aug 2013
#69
I did not say speech had no limits. I am referring to the First Amendment rights we do have.
antigone382
Aug 2013
#77
That IS the GOP jobs plan! Half the workforce at home; others at slave wages; yes, they mean it.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#22
I notice NO RURAL PHOTOS, and something like 80% of the population was and is RURAL
happyslug
Aug 2013
#15
There's a scene in "The Power Of Nightmares" where there were mass protests against the Islamists.
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#29