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RZM

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26. There's a difference, though, in the way those two would make the argument against war
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:41 PM
Feb 2012

I'll confess I don't know much about Fred Phelps' opposition to war in Iran. But I'll go out on a limb and say that his reasons would make about as much sense as his reasons for protesting military funerals, which is none. And David Duke is pals with the Iranian regime as well as virulently anti-Semitic. I imagine his argument would rest almost entirely on anti-Semitism, which no decent person could touch.

But Paul and Buchanan's arguments against war are more in the classic RW isolationist mold. That's not entirely incompatible with LW isolationism. Actually the two have quite a bit in common, most notably the issue of money. The idea that America should not be gallivanting all over the world spending billions on war and the military is an argument quite familiar to DU, since it's expressed here many times every day. The two are more than capable of crafting anti-war arguments that the left can get behind. That's just the thing the might actually do if say, there was a powwow between them and prominent members of the anti-war left where the group came up with a joint op-ed or agreed to issue a series of them individually with a narrow and specific anti-war focus that anybody opposed to war in Iran could get behind.

This is NOT an endorsement of either one, or even a suggestion that they do this. But I do think such cooperation is possible. Remember too that the appeal of Duke and Phelps is extremely limited. They are the very definition of fringe figures. Buchanan and Paul are a different story. They reach people, notably many people that the left can't really reach at all. A full-on assault against war in Iran would need voices from the right. I'm not saying it would have to be them, but they are the 'low hanging fruit,' since they already express anti-war views that you see on the left as well.

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No thanks, you lay down with dogs you get fleas NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #1
spoken like someone who wont flexnor Feb 2012 #3
Spoken like someone... LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #39
I would have not cared less about politics if German right-wingers had stopped the Nazis during WWII cpwm17 Feb 2012 #13
thanks - someone here actually understands the term 'strange bedfellows' flexnor Feb 2012 #24
I really just support Ron Paul on the issue of not going to war. JNathanK Feb 2012 #37
I was once told by a British intellectual far-right-winger LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #40
Agreed. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #19
There's a difference, though, in the way those two would make the argument against war RZM Feb 2012 #26
THANK YOU!!!! flexnor Feb 2012 #30
They are all bigots. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #31
Hate to break it to you RZM Feb 2012 #33
Hate to break it to you: I didn't say they were. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #34
Let's take a step back RZM Feb 2012 #35
You need to step back and re-read...just like the Hitler remark, I didn't say you endorsed them. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #36
They are not literally Nazis; but here are some quotations from Buchanan's own website LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #42
That stuff is all well known RZM Feb 2012 #43
how can you be so obtuse? flexnor Feb 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #46
How can you be? Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #48
Re-elect Barack Obama POTUS in 2012 Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #2
actually, Buchanan has suggested just that flexnor Feb 2012 #5
Ron Paul'ers could be persuaded to break from GOP to Obama against Iran war flexnor Feb 2012 #8
I'm afraid your conclusion doesn't follow your assumptions, which are erroneous leveymg Feb 2012 #11
yeah but Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #12
Ever heard of the "good cop, bad cop" game? leveymg Feb 2012 #14
I'm not entirely convinced that is what is going on Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #15
The object may not be to attack, per se, but that may well be the result. leveymg Feb 2012 #16
War with Iran would be a huge mess Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #17
Once tensions get high enough, war becomes probable. Look at World War One - the war no one wanted, leveymg Feb 2012 #18
I'm not naive enough Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #20
Iran is being baited and provoked, and even false flags arent flexnor Feb 2012 #45
No, your conclusion is the one which is erroneous. TheWraith Feb 2012 #21
All the other neo-cons, besides Paul, are psychos for war n/t JNathanK Feb 2012 #38
Ugh SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #4
when those across the political spectrum unite on an issue flexnor Feb 2012 #6
the warmongers fear guys like buchanan and ron paul more than they fear you flexnor Feb 2012 #7
Do you really think it can be stopped? davidthegnome Feb 2012 #9
that's a fair arguement, and you may be right, but flexnor Feb 2012 #10
All valid points davidthegnome Feb 2012 #27
Trying to sell accommodation with Buchanan and Paul MineralMan Feb 2012 #22
I'm selling full effort against a senseless war with Iran flexnor Feb 2012 #23
and if you read carefully, i'm selling splitting the GOP before an election flexnor Feb 2012 #25
I'm not buying anything you're selling. MineralMan Feb 2012 #28
how about this then? flexnor Feb 2012 #29
Fuck em both Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #32
'how will this war authorization vote affect my next election?" flexnor Feb 2012 #44
Anyone else notice that we took out saudi arabia's enemy in response to 911? flexnor Feb 2012 #47
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