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antigone382

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68. That is one way of distinguishing things.

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:55 AM

Aug 2013

Another way might be to say that any head covering is likely to be uncomfortable, awkward, and intended to assert a woman's second class status. Another way of distinguishing things might be to say that stiletto heels are intended to limit a woman's mobility and set her apart as a sex object. None of these arguments change the fact that the First Amendment implies rights to self-expression.

This doesn't mean I like burqas. I detest KKK robes, swastikas, and other paraphernalia of hate groups. However, I believe in the right to individual freedom of expression, and as such I cannot support the banning of these items, as much as I abhor them.

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If it was about the baby....there would be social programs to take care of the baby [View all] Horse with no Name Aug 2013 OP

It's like Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaiden's Tale" nt Pat Riot Aug 2013 #1

KNR joeybee12 Aug 2013 #2

Well, there's enough DU'ers who support the sick, misogynist cultural artifact called "burqa". KittyWampus Aug 2013 #3

Not real DUers but trollers. nt valerief Aug 2013 #6

Really? how many DUers support the Burqa? Enough? demwing Aug 2013 #9

Certainly. In fact, someone just this morning was doing this. I will not call out specific DU'ers KittyWampus Aug 2013 #10

No. As the accusor, that's your job, not anyone else's demwing Aug 2013 #11

YOU CANNOT CALL OUT OTHER DU'ERS. And I'm not "accusing" I am observing KittyWampus Aug 2013 #12

Here's a link to just one thread out of many. The burqa wars on DU are epic riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #13

Thanks, I am trying to stick to rules & avoid posts getting hidden. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #18

They're there. There are burqa defenders on DU. MH1 Aug 2013 #21

For the record, defending the burqa is not the same as defending freedom of expression antigone382 Aug 2013 #70

I don't, if my vote counts. classof56 Aug 2013 #16

It's not a case of "supporting" burqas. And I think that we can all agree that no woman anywhere in totodeinhere Aug 2013 #17

there is NO RELIGIOUS REASON to wear a burqa. It is a cultural artifact, that's it. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #19

But some women believe that there is a religious reason to wear them. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #20

We can and do outlaw cultural practices that masquerade as religious riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #25

And tell us please exactly what religion is FMG a part of? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #33

It's not officially a tenet of any religion, but mostly associated with Islam, like the burqa. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #34

Thanks. I won't duplicate your answer. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #38

here's what HRW really says from your link (associated with Islam is your interpretation not HRW's) azurnoir Aug 2013 #39

Uhm, what part of this are you not understanding? riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #42

what part are you hoping is overlooked could it be this? again from your link and my snip azurnoir Aug 2013 #43

I'm not arguing its religious. I KNOW its cultural. That some women believe its religious riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #44

Are you saying FGM is associated more with the adherents of some other religion? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #48

perhaps you should the origins of this subthread and then get back to me okay? azurnoir Aug 2013 #49

You've got a word missing there, not sure what you mean. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #50

No I know you are not wrong my first contact with FGM was among Eritrean women azurnoir Aug 2013 #51

Either it is fact or it is not. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #52

lol if you wish to potray FMG as a mostly Islamic thing then be my guest, doesn't make it true azurnoir Aug 2013 #54

Well, is it true or not? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #55

I'll leave you to your beliefs azurnoir Aug 2013 #72

I see you don't want to discuss the facts. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #74

If murder masqueraded as a religious practice . . . freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #35

We can and do make laws about what women can wear in public. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #37

Agree: The burqa should not be immune from debate. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #40

Sorry but we can and do outlaw cultural practices we find problematic riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #41

What are you sorry about? freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #45

So here you have it demwing. You were wondering and here it is. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #46

I'm glad you're done with this. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #47

By that standard, should we outlaw KKK robes and hoods? antigone382 Aug 2013 #71

Wearing a KKK costume is NOT the same as wearing a burqa daily riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #76

I know that we have laws restricting clothing. antigone382 Aug 2013 #78

Would we prevent an individual woman from having the procedure done on herself? antigone382 Aug 2013 #61

Some women believe in FGM based on their religion/culture. Yet the U.S. bans FGM. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #53

No of course not. Freedom of Religion has it's bounds. But come on. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #56

FGM erases female sexuality. Burqas erase women as individuals. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #57

FGM mutilates the body, is painful and invasive, almost never voluntary, totodeinhere Aug 2013 #58

Choices, voluntary or not, which harm women and society need not be allowed. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #60

They should not be forced into it, or allowed to practice it on other women. antigone382 Aug 2013 #62

Wow, do you know what FGM entails? Hint: it ain't "bodily integrity." SunSeeker Aug 2013 #63

I know what it entails...but fair point regarding FGM. antigone382 Aug 2013 #64

A bonnet or a hijab is very different from a burqa. They don't blind you like a burqa. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #66

That is one way of distinguishing things. antigone382 Aug 2013 #68

To clarify: antigone382 Aug 2013 #65

This has nothing to do with drone attacks; I'm talking about the wearing of burqas in the west. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #67

Nevertheless, First Amendment rights trump all other considerations, as far as I'm concerned. antigone382 Aug 2013 #69

That is not the law. Speech has limits, as does religion. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #75

I did not say speech had no limits. I am referring to the First Amendment rights we do have. antigone382 Aug 2013 #77

I have had the same observations you have had regarding burqas etherealtruth Aug 2013 #36

so the Islamic woman on thr thread telling someone that she has azurnoir Aug 2013 #73

It must be awful to be in a country going backward treestar Aug 2013 #4

It is awful BobbyBoring Aug 2013 #5

We are in that country--the U.S. nt valerief Aug 2013 #7

Irony. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #8

Yes, TRULY! I HATE what's happening in America! calimary Aug 2013 #14

That IS the GOP jobs plan! Half the workforce at home; others at slave wages; yes, they mean it. freshwest Aug 2013 #22

You said it perfectly Horse with no Name Aug 2013 #23

+100000000. You are so right BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2013 #28

I notice NO RURAL PHOTOS, and something like 80% of the population was and is RURAL happyslug Aug 2013 #15

Iran was like that too, though. MADem Aug 2013 #26

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #24

It's always about control. nt TBF Aug 2013 #27

There's a scene in "The Power Of Nightmares" where there were mass protests against the Islamists. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #29

I thought this thread was going to be about pro-lifers. n/t JoeyT Aug 2013 #30

Now hidden child brides too. DhhD Aug 2013 #31

No shit! blackspade Aug 2013 #32

That's what I've been saying for years jasond54231 Aug 2013 #59