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riderinthestorm

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76. Wearing a KKK costume is NOT the same as wearing a burqa daily

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 10:03 AM

Aug 2013

everywhere you go in public, for the rest of your life.

Wearing a KKK costume is more akin to Halloween - costuming for a special event, and certainly not typical or tolerated well in a civil society. These types of examples like the bridal veil or Jacqueline Kennedy's mourning veil only highlight the differences between what a burqa/niqab represent and these examples.

Furthermore, you seem to think we don't already have laws restricting what women can wear in public. We do. Nobody seems to think twice about the laws that have been around forever about what women can wear, or not wear, in public.

You know, I was trying NOT to derail the OP with a burqa discussion. I think the pictures of women shrouded and disappeared were an analogy for the OP's point, not meant to be "the point".

If we're going to make this about burqa/niqab, I guess it helps to kick this excellent OP but it does seem OT....

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If it was about the baby....there would be social programs to take care of the baby [View all] Horse with no Name Aug 2013 OP

It's like Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaiden's Tale" nt Pat Riot Aug 2013 #1

KNR joeybee12 Aug 2013 #2

Well, there's enough DU'ers who support the sick, misogynist cultural artifact called "burqa". KittyWampus Aug 2013 #3

Not real DUers but trollers. nt valerief Aug 2013 #6

Really? how many DUers support the Burqa? Enough? demwing Aug 2013 #9

Certainly. In fact, someone just this morning was doing this. I will not call out specific DU'ers KittyWampus Aug 2013 #10

No. As the accusor, that's your job, not anyone else's demwing Aug 2013 #11

YOU CANNOT CALL OUT OTHER DU'ERS. And I'm not "accusing" I am observing KittyWampus Aug 2013 #12

Here's a link to just one thread out of many. The burqa wars on DU are epic riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #13

Thanks, I am trying to stick to rules & avoid posts getting hidden. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #18

They're there. There are burqa defenders on DU. MH1 Aug 2013 #21

For the record, defending the burqa is not the same as defending freedom of expression antigone382 Aug 2013 #70

I don't, if my vote counts. classof56 Aug 2013 #16

It's not a case of "supporting" burqas. And I think that we can all agree that no woman anywhere in totodeinhere Aug 2013 #17

there is NO RELIGIOUS REASON to wear a burqa. It is a cultural artifact, that's it. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #19

But some women believe that there is a religious reason to wear them. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #20

We can and do outlaw cultural practices that masquerade as religious riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #25

And tell us please exactly what religion is FMG a part of? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #33

It's not officially a tenet of any religion, but mostly associated with Islam, like the burqa. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #34

Thanks. I won't duplicate your answer. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #38

here's what HRW really says from your link (associated with Islam is your interpretation not HRW's) azurnoir Aug 2013 #39

Uhm, what part of this are you not understanding? riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #42

what part are you hoping is overlooked could it be this? again from your link and my snip azurnoir Aug 2013 #43

I'm not arguing its religious. I KNOW its cultural. That some women believe its religious riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #44

Are you saying FGM is associated more with the adherents of some other religion? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #48

perhaps you should the origins of this subthread and then get back to me okay? azurnoir Aug 2013 #49

You've got a word missing there, not sure what you mean. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #50

No I know you are not wrong my first contact with FGM was among Eritrean women azurnoir Aug 2013 #51

Either it is fact or it is not. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #52

lol if you wish to potray FMG as a mostly Islamic thing then be my guest, doesn't make it true azurnoir Aug 2013 #54

Well, is it true or not? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #55

I'll leave you to your beliefs azurnoir Aug 2013 #72

I see you don't want to discuss the facts. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #74

If murder masqueraded as a religious practice . . . freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #35

We can and do make laws about what women can wear in public. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #37

Agree: The burqa should not be immune from debate. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #40

Sorry but we can and do outlaw cultural practices we find problematic riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #41

What are you sorry about? freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #45

So here you have it demwing. You were wondering and here it is. riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #46

I'm glad you're done with this. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #47

By that standard, should we outlaw KKK robes and hoods? antigone382 Aug 2013 #71

Wearing a KKK costume is NOT the same as wearing a burqa daily riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #76

I know that we have laws restricting clothing. antigone382 Aug 2013 #78

Would we prevent an individual woman from having the procedure done on herself? antigone382 Aug 2013 #61

Some women believe in FGM based on their religion/culture. Yet the U.S. bans FGM. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #53

No of course not. Freedom of Religion has it's bounds. But come on. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #56

FGM erases female sexuality. Burqas erase women as individuals. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #57

FGM mutilates the body, is painful and invasive, almost never voluntary, totodeinhere Aug 2013 #58

Choices, voluntary or not, which harm women and society need not be allowed. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #60

They should not be forced into it, or allowed to practice it on other women. antigone382 Aug 2013 #62

Wow, do you know what FGM entails? Hint: it ain't "bodily integrity." SunSeeker Aug 2013 #63

I know what it entails...but fair point regarding FGM. antigone382 Aug 2013 #64

A bonnet or a hijab is very different from a burqa. They don't blind you like a burqa. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #66

That is one way of distinguishing things. antigone382 Aug 2013 #68

To clarify: antigone382 Aug 2013 #65

This has nothing to do with drone attacks; I'm talking about the wearing of burqas in the west. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #67

Nevertheless, First Amendment rights trump all other considerations, as far as I'm concerned. antigone382 Aug 2013 #69

That is not the law. Speech has limits, as does religion. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #75

I did not say speech had no limits. I am referring to the First Amendment rights we do have. antigone382 Aug 2013 #77

I have had the same observations you have had regarding burqas etherealtruth Aug 2013 #36

so the Islamic woman on thr thread telling someone that she has azurnoir Aug 2013 #73

It must be awful to be in a country going backward treestar Aug 2013 #4

It is awful BobbyBoring Aug 2013 #5

We are in that country--the U.S. nt valerief Aug 2013 #7

Irony. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #8

Yes, TRULY! I HATE what's happening in America! calimary Aug 2013 #14

That IS the GOP jobs plan! Half the workforce at home; others at slave wages; yes, they mean it. freshwest Aug 2013 #22

You said it perfectly Horse with no Name Aug 2013 #23

+100000000. You are so right BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2013 #28

I notice NO RURAL PHOTOS, and something like 80% of the population was and is RURAL happyslug Aug 2013 #15

Iran was like that too, though. MADem Aug 2013 #26

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #24

It's always about control. nt TBF Aug 2013 #27

There's a scene in "The Power Of Nightmares" where there were mass protests against the Islamists. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #29

I thought this thread was going to be about pro-lifers. n/t JoeyT Aug 2013 #30

Now hidden child brides too. DhhD Aug 2013 #31

No shit! blackspade Aug 2013 #32

That's what I've been saying for years jasond54231 Aug 2013 #59