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Catherina

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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:10 AM Aug 2013

if Obama wishes to restore faith in US values, he can begin with the following simple measures [View all]

Obama seeks more transparent surveillance. He’s having a laugh…
Posted on August 11, 2013

Obama is having a laugh when he stated he intends to reform the surveillance structures of the USA. First, they cannot be reformed, for they are hydra-headed and will simply grow more programs as each one is pared down or lopped off. Secondly, his legacy is one of broken promises, though he still has time to do something about that. The litmus test we propose is simple and one that even a former Chicago lawyer can understand. It is given below: not completing it means he fails.

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But there is one way in which Obama could redeem himself and satisfy Americans in the process ( as with the Bradley Manning show trial) if he so chooses, and so leave office with a different legacy. Indeed, he could change direction entirely (...). And if Obama wishes to restore faith in US values, he can begin by enacting the following simple measures…

B. The litmus test


1. Issue an unreserved apology re the handling of the case against Aaron Swartz: dismiss the prosecution team whose overreach led to his death and order that all documents relating to the case be made public.

2. Quash the conviction of John Kiriakou, who was responsible for revealing details about water boarding torture by the US.

3. Issue a much belated apology and grant compensation to Thomas Drake , NSA whistleblower who was charged with various offences for simply telling the truth.

4. Apologise to and compensate NSA whistleblower William Binney, who helped expose the Stellar Wind program.

5. Drop all charges against Barrett Brown, who has done nothing wrong except carry out investigations to expose the extra-legal activities of private snooping companies.

6. Free Jeremy Hammond, an investigative researcher who was simply looking into the nefarious affairs of the private intelligence agency, Stratfor.

7. End the investigation into the publishing house Wikileaks and the persecution of Julian Assange, its editor-in-chief, and guarantee that there be no onward extradition to the USA so that he can leave the confines of the Ecuadorian Embassy (and safely answer any outstanding questions from Sweden).

8. Drop all charges against Edward Snowden and issue a guarantee he will not be prosecuted should he decide to return to the USA.

In addition…

If Obama is really genuine in his desire to see major change in US surveillance practice, he could set up a genuine review system (not a pretence one) that will include (should they want to) Edward Snowden, Thomas Drake, Daniel Ellsberg, Glenn Greenwald and representatives from the EFF, Public Intelligence and Wikileaks.

Also, he should sack General Alexander, for damaging US credibility, and the director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, for lying to Congress.

Appendix

A. Complete list of disclosures so far from Edward Snowden and via ancillary investigations in The Guardian. Includes PRISM, Boundless Informant, Tempora and much more.

B. List of additional material via Darkernet:

1. The four Prisms being run by or for the NSA.
2. The total surveillance systems that characterise the USA.
3. The Reach program used by Telstra (Australia)
4. The history of fibre-optic surveillance from the mid-90s onwards
5. Exposing the Australian end of PRISM
6. The NSA Sigint connection
7. More on the NSA social media partners
8. A wide view on Echelon and it’s history and sub-stations

See also why Snowden is the ultimate American patriot.

http://darkernet.in/obama-seeks-more-transparent-surveillance-hes-having-a-laugh/


It's implied but Bradley Manning should be part of the Litmus Test conditions too.
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Never happen. Too much common sense and honesty RC Aug 2013 #1
No it won't Making it an automatic #FAIL & we'll pay the consequences but the profit motive is there Catherina Aug 2013 #2
Ah, but President Carter wasn't a complete corporate tool the way this one is. kath Aug 2013 #20
Well, ProSense Aug 2013 #3
Exactly! Fringe Aug 2013 #6
Except that I don't think a law that prohibits speech about an issue of such personal JDPriestly Aug 2013 #22
He should come back to the U.S. and try your defense. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #39
Will you volunteer to do his detention before he actually gets charged? Aerows Aug 2013 #40
Prosense, this poster posted their own thoughts. With great results! Try it. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #68
+ 1000 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4
The President needs to clean house as suggested to regain public snappyturtle Aug 2013 #5
I don't think the President Enthusiast Aug 2013 #11
Well that's depressing....but you're probably correct. What in the snappyturtle Aug 2013 #15
Who? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #17
Sorry....I thought that's what you would say...(Shouldn't have asked). snappyturtle Aug 2013 #25
What's secret about the Carlyle Group? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #45
Yes, they are the ones we will never see on the news. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #34
Unfortunately... kentuck Aug 2013 #18
And the Attorney General is appointed by whom? Although as I age snappyturtle Aug 2013 #27
Good points, Enthusiast. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #23
+100 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #33
I dont believe he can. If you notice those in charge of the intelligence agencies are the same ones rhett o rick Aug 2013 #47
A good start, a theoretical good start. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #7
First he's going to have to arrest General Alexander and throw the key away. Cleita Aug 2013 #8
Oh come on now ...really ...you posted this just to piss off prosense. L0oniX Aug 2013 #9
That can't be. I think that she's off on the weekends. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #13
If AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #10
If CONGRESS wishes to uphold its constitutional duty Demeter Aug 2013 #12
A Puppet colbertforpresident Aug 2013 #14
No doubt but that is the cause of some negative polling with his base. kentuck Aug 2013 #16
That is the main reason I voted for him, I believed that as a Constitutional scholar, well you know. Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #36
Said from the same people who threw Obama under the bus in the first 15 minutes of his Presidency Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #19
No one threw him under a bus. another_liberal Aug 2013 #24
Love to count the ways Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #31
You forgot a few. another_liberal Aug 2013 #32
I don''t recall anyone here throwing him under the bus because he didn't do it all "in 15 minutes".. markpkessinger Aug 2013 #29
Would you like a mathematical representation of 5 years, 4.31 months? Aerows Aug 2013 #38
K&R and bookmarked. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #21
KNR. DirkGently Aug 2013 #26
Look for the administration to hop to doing all this indepat Aug 2013 #28
Great list... Add "prosecuting SOME of the Wall Street Banksters" and it would be almost complete.. cascadiance Aug 2013 #30
Hear, hear! Thank you, Catherina. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #35
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Bashers will still bash even louder, Obama can walk on water now uponit7771 Aug 2013 #37
Bashing isn't even Aerows Aug 2013 #41
REALLY!? Half the right wing bullshit memes they spout here about Obama is true!? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #42
I'm on the left Aerows Aug 2013 #43
...and when president Warren or any other president the left choose isn't 100% pure then the same uponit7771 Aug 2013 #44
Well, the left can't do that to Obama with regards to Carter Aerows Aug 2013 #46
Obama doesn't have to have a blue dress scandal, the left will make one up for him and uponit7771 Aug 2013 #48
Speaking of getting caught trying Aerows Aug 2013 #50
...my point with getting caught trying is it doesn't meet the standard with the left. Obama has been uponit7771 Aug 2013 #52
Getting caught lying in your own post Aerows Aug 2013 #55
Why change your entire post to this? Aerows Aug 2013 #49
I think I'm making the same point, I'm going to be more graceful with a president then the left uponit7771 Aug 2013 #51
I think trying to play games Aerows Aug 2013 #53
This is false, I ediited my post BEFOER there was a posted reply...there's nothing preventing this. uponit7771 Aug 2013 #56
I took screen shots Aerows Aug 2013 #57
I can edit my post WHILE someone responds to it...simple forum timing...doesn't take uponit7771 Aug 2013 #70
And I will post the screenshots if you insist Aerows Aug 2013 #71
Post them who cares!?!? No one is "busted" this is silly. Carter, CLinton and no Obama based by puri uponit7771 Aug 2013 #72
See, I don't think I'm a purist Aerows Aug 2013 #73
Well said. woo me with science Aug 2013 #62
K&R. Unfortunately, Obama seems to think giving pretty speeches full of folksy metaphors is forestpath Aug 2013 #54
Be wary of those that Aerows Aug 2013 #58
He needs to have a real progressive bully pulpit PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #60
Not really Aerows Aug 2013 #61
Spade is a Spade? n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #65
Pretty much n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #67
Applied either way n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #64
Oh, and K&R Aerows Aug 2013 #59
K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #63
Nope. Sorry, but some people will always hate Obama jazzimov Aug 2013 #66
I've been looking at Booz Allen's history, and we think Snowden is a threat to National Security?? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #69
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