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Catherina

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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:10 PM Aug 2013

We droned the shit out of Yemen. No one talks about it here. But everyone's talking bout it in Yemen [View all]

By Joshua Hersh

Yemen Drone Strikes Bring New Round Of Terror To Embattled Country

Posted: 08/10/2013 11:10 pm EDT

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Over the previous week, the United States and other Western nations ramped up terror alerts about Yemen, a small nation on the tip of the Arabian peninsula that attracts a disproportionate amount of American attention. A recent terrorism alert prompting the closures of nearly two dozen American embassies around the Arab world was "emanating from Yemen," the U.S. said, and earlier in the week American citizens were urged to flee Yemen. The staff of the U.S. embassy there was spirited to Germany on a military cargo plane.

However, as the week progressed, signs of terror did not take the form of an attack by al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula, an increasingly powerful franchise of the feared terrorist organization, but instead, as Haykal Bafana, a Sanaa-based Yemeni lawyer, put it recently, of an "orgy of drones."

Over the past 10 days, at least nine American drone strikes have been conducted across the country's remote provinces, most recently on Saturday evening. At least 36 people, all of them immediately deemed "suspected militants" by the Yemeni government, were killed, according to wire service counts. On Thursday alone, there were three drone attacks, an unprecedented rate; Saturday's was the fifth in 72 hours.

For those left in Yemen, it has been like living in a universe parallel to the one described in American terror alerts, Bafana said on Saturday. "It's like there are two different Yemens," he said. "The one the U.S. and Yemeni government claims is always under a terrorist threat, and the one we actually live in, with drones. It's like they stepped through the looking glass."

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Earlier in the week, he said, when an American P-3 Orion spy plane circled over Sanaa for nearly 10 hours, loudly buzzing as residents tried to celebrate the start of Eid, residents stopped in their tracks to protest. "People were standing in the street and screaming at it," he said.

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"When there is a normal war, people can hide, or they can stay away from the military -- they can make choices and be careful," al-Muslimi said. "But when drones come, you just don't know when you'll be next. The fear is incredible."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/10/yemen-drone-strikes_n_3737554.html

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Saturday, 10 August 2013 KSA 08:15 - GMT 05:15

Drowning out the drones in Yemen?

The past few days, drones had been hovering over Yemen and killing innocent people and militant suspects. And then this Thursday President Obama sent a greeting to the Muslim world on the occasion of the Eid. He sent 'warmest' greetings. The message contained other things which I won’t mention because it does not matter. Why would a 'warm' greeting of an American president matter to me to someone living in an Arab country? Why should I care about the positive gestures he offers. Moreover why would he even bother to send his greetings? What does he feel when he signs the greetings with the same pen which signs the command to use drones?

I cannot answer that, but when I read his greetings, I was also reading news of drones flying over Yemeni cities and villages. And the greeting tasted bitter. I felt that his greeting was charged with double standards, hypocrisy, and disregard for our lives. For a moment I felt that as far as Obama was concerned, the lives of foreign citizens do not matter. It crossed my mind that we are bugs. I asked myself if or not he sincerely believe that we are entitled to live safely. Do we matter?

Drone injustice

I am a realist and a pragmatist. So I tried to justify it. I sincerely did. I said there are terrorists. They threaten us. They kill us. They also threaten the United States and they kill American citizens. So why should I be angry at killing them? I went online. I read the justifications presented by those who support it. But no matter how much I thought or read, I could not overcome the fact that such an act is illegal, immoral, unjust, counterproductive and racist.

What we have here is a pure act of murder cloaked in words like: self-defense, last resort, proportional, and just. But the naked truth is that those being killed are suspects. Any sensible law would not allow the execution of a human being without a process of proving that they are guilty of the crimes attributed to them. Terrorist or not, they have rights as humans. Or maybe Obama and his administration think not. They are after all Arabs and Muslims. So maybe they are fair game. What makes it worse it that absolutely innocent individuals are also killed in the process. And the drones still continue. It is as if it does not matter for Obama that a few children are killed as long as he is ‘protecting’ the American people. So what? They are Arab children. And we have many of them. So what if one or two fall down while the killing of American enemies goes on. Collateral damage is the technical word they use.

But the damage does not stop. Not only is Obama illegally executing suspects and murdering innocent people. In the process he terrorizes a whole nation. Yemenis are constantly looking up the sky. Faces become white from fear with the sound of the hum of the drone far away. Obama wants to kill 6 people and in the process terrorizes more than 20 million and to put a cherry on top, kills a ‘few’ more who were not on the list. Sometimes he does not even get the ones he was after. So he takes another shot. But so what. It is only Yemen. And I can say the same for Pakistan and Afghanistan. Those nations do not need to feel safe. Only Americans should feel safe. Everyone else can lie down and die. What adds insult to injury is that Obama actually considers it a just war. He actually considers that terrorizing a whole nation is proportional. The only way that this war is just or proportional is to consider that the lives, security and wellbeing of Twenty million+ Yemenis are worthless.

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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/08/10/Drone-attacks-in-Yemen-can-t-be-drowned-out.html

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So the existing Yemeni politicians can wipe out any competitors by reporting them as suspects? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #1
Stop. raging moderate Aug 2013 #31
Just like the Iraqis and Afghanistan people did. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #44
Who is terrorizing whom? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #2
+10000!! FirstLight Aug 2013 #3
This does meet the definition of terrorism. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #57
Yes it does. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #68
When The Rest of The World Gets Drone technology your question may no longer be a hypothetical BlueManFan Aug 2013 #64
That was Norman Goldmann's point a week ago... HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #98
It does not sound like you have considered the "bounty" aspect of all this. truedelphi Aug 2013 #101
If Muslims had launched 9 fatal attacks last week pscot Aug 2013 #4
I can't stop thinking of that either. 3000 people died in the 911 tragedy Catherina Aug 2013 #6
How much is this costing per each terrorist death? Millions at least. L0oniX Aug 2013 #21
Yeah, and how many terrorists are created per each terrorist death? nt RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #24
A self perpetuating war on terror machine. That's what the MIC wants. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #28
yep--self perpetuating war on terror machine. So sick and everyone wants to ignore it. NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #85
That's not mentioned enough. The violence feeds on itself and continually LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #38
And the violent response to our violence becomes excuses for continued spying, surveillance, and.. paparush Aug 2013 #48
And they say we aren't leaving anything for the next generation. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #40
Sad but good point LiberalLovinLug Aug 2013 #49
thinking kardonb Aug 2013 #79
"That Nobel Peace committee must have been out of their minds." SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #72
funny thing in the corner of the post was an ad for some star trek thing dembotoz Aug 2013 #5
Imagine where our people would be if we took all that money Catherina Aug 2013 #11
Damned Socialist pscot Aug 2013 #18
If we stopped killing brown people overseas for ONE MONTH Maedhros Aug 2013 #97
You said a lot in that nutshell n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #103
I'm watching BBC "Our World" focusing on it right now. Horrific. K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #7
I've posted several ops about the daily drone bombing in Yemen cali Aug 2013 #8
Wow, and I missed every single one of them Catherina Aug 2013 #12
It's a very reasonable excuse. cali Aug 2013 #20
+1 ...and much thanks. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #35
I haven't ignored, but slowly digest what I read. juajen Aug 2013 #41
"Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #9
Interesting quote. Do you have an internet link for it? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #50
I just have the quote but here's some links I looked up. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #52
Thanks. Very interesting. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #53
I`m going to quickly express my disgust about these drone strikes and leave before democrank Aug 2013 #10
You sure won't get that from me. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #13
You forgot "it's the law" n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #37
The silence is amazing malaise Aug 2013 #14
Inexcusable. And it's protecting no one but war profiteers & terrorists. DirkGently Aug 2013 #15
du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #16
IOKWTFBIYNIO Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #17
It was worth it to make a point about Snowden wtmusic Aug 2013 #70
:( :::::::::::::::::::::::::: WillyT Aug 2013 #19
So powerful, so tragic, so civilized in the face of MIC barbarities. Divernan Aug 2013 #25
Done !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #29
DU rec ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2013 #33
^ Please read this. wtmusic Aug 2013 #73
Horror summer-hazz Aug 2013 #81
"drone technologically is more advanced than the human brain" just wow! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #89
That's what you call the voice of reason. malthaussen Aug 2013 #90
+1000000 n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #104
The biggest Terrorist Threat to the World is the USA n2doc Aug 2013 #22
In April the results of a study of drones in Pakistan was published. Maedhros Aug 2013 #23
Shameful. RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #26
If these people have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #27
knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #30
I suspect if we talked about it the conversation would grow uncomfortable quick TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #32
Well, now we know what the preparations look like before bombing starts Coyotl Aug 2013 #34
They should blame AQ, woolldog Aug 2013 #36
AQ is not responsible for how we respond, blame is a kid's game. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #43
AQ is us. n/t truth2power Aug 2013 #99
How soon people like you forget. woolldog Aug 2013 #100
Like I said, "AQ is us"... truth2power Aug 2013 #102
..... woolldog Aug 2013 #105
and now like with the surveillance state - such a policy is legitimized by bipartisan consensus Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #39
Another policy that makes you think, "How could this do anything but more harm than good" n/t Taitertots Aug 2013 #42
do they talk about This in Yemen? hfojvt Aug 2013 #45
Yemen is complicit. joshcryer Aug 2013 #80
Most Americans Don't Know That In 1918-1919 The US Landed American Troops In Russia BlueManFan Aug 2013 #46
Ever read Fighting the Bolsheviks? malthaussen Aug 2013 #92
Yes. US Empire Provokes Terrorism. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #47
But It's Great For Business and remember, "corporations are people too my friend." BlueManFan Aug 2013 #55
Great for WHICH businesses though? 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #56
Check. Check.... But I don't think we know how many Booz Allen's there are out there BlueManFan Aug 2013 #58
Nuff said indeed. US Empire is a lucre-addicted-bitch living beyond her means. 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #60
We'll fix 'em when they fail and pretend to be incredulous that people died BlueManFan Aug 2013 #61
Hard to talk about it when the news is suppressed... SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #51
The truth! JackRiddler Aug 2013 #54
You know when Bush was president we cared about how much damage he was doing to our liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #59
Haven't you heard? Al Qaeda has been "decimated". This recruitment effort is expensive ... Scuba Aug 2013 #62
K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #63
kick Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #65
The last sentence says it all, it is the truth. 'The lives of Twenty Million Yemenis are sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #66
Yeah, I had a post hidden, like a common troll, for daring to post bloodless IMAGES of our handywork usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #67
Post them again with a warning and you should be OK. wtmusic Aug 2013 #69
But there wasn't even any blood or gore usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #74
Unusual. wtmusic Aug 2013 #75
Yeah, a lot has changed around here since 2008 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #76
It's the luck of the draw with the jury system. Divernan Aug 2013 #83
During what time of the day do you read DU? eridani Aug 2013 #87
Interesting. malthaussen Aug 2013 #91
Which one of your 6 current hidden posts are you talking about? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #94
It's easy to see usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #95
K&R Thanks Catherina. nt. polly7 Aug 2013 #71
This is Obama's Bush-Lite Doctrine. Obama has embraced Bush's pre-emptive war morningfog Aug 2013 #77
"When there is a normal war, people can hide, ronnie624 Aug 2013 #78
Drone-testing ground for the MIC: Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan Amonester Aug 2013 #82
America needs... nikto Aug 2013 #84
anyone have any solution to this madness??? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #86
K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #88
I have been on the FAA "no fly list" since 12/2001 due to a terrorist from Yemen using my very Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #93
It's insanity on both sides. Why not address the cause instead of just bombing. Gregorian Aug 2013 #96
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