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NJCher

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79. in the interim

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:39 PM

Aug 2013

I am in agreement with you. There is no room for profit in healthcare.

I disagree that the ones left grow stronger, as they are all subject to the profitability margin rules.

It's a shame we can't just "pass go" and get straight to single payer.

I guess we could say the U.S. is a big boat and turning around a big boat takes a wide circumference.

Cher

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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system [View all] PoliticAverse Aug 2013 OP

Good,I hope sooner than later. nt sufrommich Aug 2013 #1

Anyone Who Believes Anything Hairy Reed Says Is NOT Paying Attention Demeter Aug 2013 #2

It's not Harry nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #30

Trust me, It's Harry Demeter Aug 2013 #47

How does mandating insurance premiums lead to their extinction? leftstreet Aug 2013 #3

Let me try to explain. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #5

Try again leftstreet Aug 2013 #7

My point is that more and more people will realize that Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #11

But they'll be breaking the law leftstreet Aug 2013 #13

No, I didn't mean break the law. I meant fix the system. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #22

bullshit. 1) once you subsidize private corporations it makes it harder to stop, not easier. it HiPointDem Aug 2013 #80

If you believe that under the ACA premiums depend upon "health condition", Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #82

yes, you're right. they can only charge different rates based on geography, risk factors, & age. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #83

And it allows someone with cancer to get millions of dollars worth of chemotherapy Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #85

yes, that's good. but it's a subsidy to both big pharma & big insurance, allowing them to profit HiPointDem Aug 2013 #86

The point is, our system, including the system after the implementation Enthusiast Aug 2013 #14

when we win the House back in 2014 Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #16

But the Commenter said ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #18

But the way it's set up that's a logical next step. pnwmom Aug 2013 #26

Will auto insurance soon be nationalized? leftstreet Aug 2013 #33

Most people don't think autos have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. pnwmom Aug 2013 #35

LOL insurance premiums are patriotic! n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #39

Intentionally missing the point ... TBF Aug 2013 #40

+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #9

That's exactly how I see it. bravenak Aug 2013 #27

call it sneaky if you want NJCher Aug 2013 #36

I like feeling that we got over on them. bravenak Aug 2013 #38

hahah NJCher Aug 2013 #50

Being better than what we had is arguable but this isn't anything like your example of an NHS TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #45

But ACA is a mandated payout to private insurers. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #51

Yep. Very unfortunate. They needed bribing to enable any reform at all to take place. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #52

Yup. It was the alternative Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #53

They didn't NEED bribing leftstreet Aug 2013 #56

The ACA in its current form scraped through Congress by the skin of its teeth. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #70

Theres plenty of mandates forcing insurers to payout in there. phleshdef Aug 2013 #54

But nothing controlling costs n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #57

"Nothing" is incorrect. phleshdef Aug 2013 #71

The alternative is nothing. I know what your comeback will be, it's the same old comeback. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #59

It doesn't. It's both parties payoff to the insurance industry. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #84

When? When his great grand children will be his age? Mass Aug 2013 #4

Unfortunately ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #21

There wasn't a need for Obamacare before all the jobs were shipped overseas Demeter Aug 2013 #48

Yes there was ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #96

Obamacare Institutionalizes the Corruption of the Health Insurance System Demeter Aug 2013 #98

Beg to differ ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #99

Beats never. Which is what has and will continue to happen if the far Left's dream of bluestate10 Aug 2013 #58

Actually more than 60% of Americans believe HC is a right Doctor_J Aug 2013 #63

Read the replies to the story from his constituents Ron Green Aug 2013 #6

Proof positive that the late great COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #10

They are paid responders. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #19

All this statement will do Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #8

We have to be bold and take on the Republicans Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #15

Thanks, Harry! Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #12

That's what I've always believed. Glad to hear it come from Sen. Reid. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #17

I absolutley believe that Obamacare is just the seed to move in another direction Sheepshank Aug 2013 #23

:) lonestarnot Aug 2013 #20

And he'll be right about that, like he is on everything else - right? kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #24

I really hope so. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #25

Many of us here argued that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #28

The old, "Once things get bad enough, we'll be forced to make it better" argument. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #29

yes, yes. Absolutely yes. Whisp Aug 2013 #31

I hope he's correct MNBrewer Aug 2013 #32

We sucked up to the insurance companies. We let them help write ACA. And Reid wants me to liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #34

maybe not NJCher Aug 2013 #41

some insurance companies failing only means the ones that are left grow stronger and more profitable liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #42

in the interim NJCher Aug 2013 #79

And meat packers have always written the food safety laws Recursion Aug 2013 #68

I do suggest you read the history of Canada's health care riverbendviewgal Aug 2013 #37

Makes no sense lobodons Aug 2013 #43

"Eventually," we're all dead. sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #44

K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #46

That is what is happening in Switzerland. Mandatory private insurance with a referendum on pampango Aug 2013 #49

The Swiss private insurers are forbidden to make a profit Doctor_J Aug 2013 #66

You confuse the basic plans vs supplimental plans. joshcryer Aug 2013 #76

They don't make a profit on basic insurance. They do on supplemental plans. This profit will be pampango Aug 2013 #78

Yes, a lot of DOOM and GLOOM on this thread.. I remember Cha Aug 2013 #55

The far Left tend to be unrealistic. I am not talking about liberals, most of them are sane. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #61

First they insult it, then they scream about it, Recursion Aug 2013 #67

The DADT thing was one example. joshcryer Aug 2013 #74

Quite a few here hate it because it makes the system more humane Recursion Aug 2013 #60

More hate it because is codifies the worst HC system in the developed world Doctor_J Aug 2013 #65

Which is why I don't consider them progressive. joshcryer Aug 2013 #75

Mandated private insurance isn't remotely a "left leaning goal" Fumesucker Aug 2013 #81

+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #88

I didn't say it was. joshcryer Aug 2013 #89

Your words verbatim Fumesucker Aug 2013 #91

I said it was positive change. joshcryer Aug 2013 #92

Eh, I see it as an attempt to hold off single payer for as long as possible Fumesucker Aug 2013 #93

I don't disagree mostly. joshcryer Aug 2013 #94

I don't see how Doctor_J Aug 2013 #62

It pumps up a for-profit model that makes them even bigger lobbyists cprise Aug 2013 #72

We are expected to celebrate so many woo me with science Aug 2013 #64

Obama Care is not the cureall.... Xolodno Aug 2013 #69

It's like people forget why Obama and Hillary were for private insurers. joshcryer Aug 2013 #73

So were Reagan, Bush, McCain, Romney n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #87

None of them had the ultimate goal of single payer. joshcryer Aug 2013 #90

Insurance companies are just middle men. We don't need them. Lets just invent a nifty way to do earcandle Aug 2013 #77

If not for republicans we would have single payer right now! B Calm Aug 2013 #95

It is going to have to happen state by state eridani Aug 2013 #97