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49. I don't doubt your story. But it doesn't mean there are no Democrats who actually are

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:33 PM

Aug 2013

Democrats and not willing to start all these wars all over the world.

We are always looking to where they point us. NOT at the Progressive side of the party. We allow them to tell us 'yes, he's a good Democrat but he doesn't have a chance' while they pour money into some Third Way War Monger with a 'D' after their name. Well, that is OUR fault. From now I will support the one THEY tell me 'doesn't have a chance'. Because that is only true if we believe them.

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Wyden's former deputy chief of staff doubts Clapper decided to lie unilaterally. [View all] dkf Aug 2013 OP

Of all those involved in running the programs, Clapper may be among the most conscientious leveymg Aug 2013 #1

And do you believe he concocted it on his own? dkf Aug 2013 #3

No, I think Clapper consulted with others before his testimony, including the WH. leveymg Aug 2013 #4

I wonder if anyone will ask him under oath. dkf Aug 2013 #5

Easy. Just ask NSA for his phone records from the previous day. I'm sure they'll oblige the Comm. leveymg Aug 2013 #19

If he had integrity, he would not have lied to Congress. He could have stated that he was sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27

Unfortunately, most of the top people in intel are old Bush people, or Reagan people leveymg Aug 2013 #30

Sorry, we have two parties and to say there are no Democrats who are capable of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31

I have a little inside baseball story to share will you. leveymg Aug 2013 #34

I don't doubt your story. But it doesn't mean there are no Democrats who actually are sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49

What if he is told the "patriotic" thing to do is to lie? If he was evasive that was a tip off. dkf Aug 2013 #35

Honor .... sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #51

Yes this is the new version of honor where you are a patriot by covering up violations.... dkf Aug 2013 #56

Wait wut? I've been reliably informed here that Clapper never lied!111!!!!1 riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #2

Clapper never would have had to like if not for Snowden. It is all Snowden's fault. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #11

K&R Good article. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #6

Direct quote from Senator Wyden ProSense Aug 2013 #7

The bigger question is if he was instructed to lie and if so by whom. dkf Aug 2013 #8

LOL! Yeah, I see where this is going. ProSense Aug 2013 #9

It Is Never Too Late For Impeachment Proceedings With A Sitting President cantbeserious Aug 2013 #14

Are you calling for Obama's impeachment? ProSense Aug 2013 #16

Congress Must Decide If The Lies Merit Impeachment cantbeserious Aug 2013 #18

What lies? I asked if you support impeachment. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #21

Only Congress Can Decide If Impeachment Is Warranted Based On The Lies Told By The Administration cantbeserious Aug 2013 #26

What lies? You can at least specify why Congress would entertain this decision. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #28

Senator Ron Wyden's Revelations Regarding Obama Obfuscation On Illegal Domestic Surverillance cantbeserious Aug 2013 #29

You have a link to Wyden accusing the President of lying? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #39

I am starting to hate this administration almost as much as Cheney's BlueStreak Aug 2013 #10

He's like an atheist who has a lot of knowledge about the Bible. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #12

Hey, I resemble that remark! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #15

LOL! LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #17

That is a very apt analogy. nt Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #25

Yes - And Let's Add Transparent Hope And Change - A Sad State Of Affairs All Around cantbeserious Aug 2013 #13

It is shocking -- When Obama met his moment of truth when clever speechwriting wouldn't get him by BlueStreak Aug 2013 #32

"Constitutional scholar, my ass." ProSense Aug 2013 #22

What does that have to do with anything? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #47

This is an important detail "Wyden shared his question with the ODNI the day before" Coyotl Aug 2013 #20

This is exactly the issue. Wyden lays it out perfectly -- IN MAY, 2011 BlueStreak Aug 2013 #38

I'l bet Snowden was aware of what Wyden was trying to do also. dkf Aug 2013 #43

I bet he was aware that over two years had passed and nobody had lifted a damn finger BlueStreak Aug 2013 #45

Everybody should read that entire article. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #23

That absolutely needs to end. The practice of having only a few Reps know what this sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33

You are exactly right. And yet there are folks here who see Snowden snappyturtle Aug 2013 #40

It's easier to control just a few people who are in the know, than the full Congress. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #42

Moreover look what difi's instructions were to Wyden's staff on what they were allowed to say... dkf Aug 2013 #37

DiFi is emerging as one of the major villains in this. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #44

We are kidding ourselves if we think we will get anything new. dkf Aug 2013 #52

DiFi works for the MIC and there is proof if ever we needed it. She gagged members of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #50

It's a good read. Also she explains why Wyden can't expose what he knows KoKo Aug 2013 #24

None dare call it... multilateral lying! reformist2 Aug 2013 #36

Thanks for posting this AppleBottom Aug 2013 #41

This is a great article. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #46

If anyone needs documentation of the admins response... dkf Aug 2013 #53

All parsed & planned in advance, of course. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #48

No, really DJ13 Aug 2013 #54

K&R! blackspade Aug 2013 #55

I believe Clapper was more or less ordered to lie. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #57