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In reply to the discussion: Snowden's Dad: If Edward Would Have Stayed In the USA: "He would have been buried under the capital" [View all]kpete
(72,903 posts)104. Squirrels
Snowden-haters are helping to point the finger in the wrong direction

FEIN: Yes. Let's go that. And what he said was, oh, Mr. Snowden should have gone to the congressional oversight committees. The congressional oversight committees have gone on record, Dianne Feinstein: he's guilty of treason. These were the committees that knew for seven years what was going on and refused to disclose it to the American people. The best was some cryptic statements.
If the American knew what was going on, they would be stunned.
And Edward Snowden is supposed to go to them? That seems rather implausible, because they were the ones who were responsible for the secrecy.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-lon-snowden-donald-trump/storynew?id=19926953&page=3
again, read the transcript, be aware, learn...
why are WE always for or against?
Why can't we just be seekers of truth and justice?
..............................
Private Manning gives me my MAIN thinking for why Snowden can NEVER come home.
(I know, I know he was military...apples and oranges, bla bla bla)
Manning & Snowden are both being used to scare anyone interested in MORE info that is
hidden under the name of "national security"
They are determined to ruin Manning's life (& SCARE ALL WHISTLEBLOWERS IN THE PROCESS)
BECAUSE along with some other docs, he revealed these:
a list of 10 revelations disclosed by Mannings leaked documents that offer insight into the breadth and scope of what he revealed, help explain his motivation for leaking, and provide context for the ongoing trial. The list, in no particular order, is far from comprehensive but encompasses some of the most significant information brought to light by the leaked documents.
During the Iraq War, U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape, and murder by Iraqi police and soldiers, according to thousands of field reports.
There were 109,032 violent deaths recorded in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, including 66,081 civilians. Leaked records from the Afghan War separately revealed coalition troops alleged role in killing at least 195 civilians in unreported incidents, one reportedly involving U.S. service members machine-gunning a bus, wounding or killing 15 passengers.
The U.S. Embassy in Paris advised Washington to start a military-style trade war against any European Union country that opposed genetically modified crops, with U.S. diplomats effectively working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto.
British and American officials colluded in a plan to mislead the British Parliament over a proposed ban on cluster bombs.
In Baghdad in 2007, a U.S. Army helicopter gunned down a group of civilians, including two Reuters news staff.
U.S. special operations forces were conducting offensive operations inside Pakistan despite sustained public denials and statements to the contrary by U.S. officials.
A leaked diplomatic cable provided evidence that during an incident in 2006, U.S. troops in Iraq executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence. The disclosure of this cable was later a significant factor in the Iraqi governments refusal to grant U.S. troops immunity from prosecution beyond 2011, which led to U.S. troops withdrawing from the country.
A NATO coalition in Afghanistan was using an undisclosed black unit of special operations forces to hunt down targets for death or detention without trial. The unit was revealed to have had a kill-or-capture list featuring details of more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida, but it had in some cases mistakenly killed men, women, children, and Afghan police officers.
The U.S. threatened the Italian government in an attempt to influence a court case involving the indictment of CIA agents over the kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Separately, U.S. officials were revealed to have pressured Spanish prosecutors to dissuade them from investigating U.S. torture allegations, secret extraordinary rendition flights, and the killing of a Spanish journalist by U.S. troops in Iraq.
In apparent violation of a 1946 U.N. convention, Washington initiated a spying campaign in 2009 that targeted the leadership of the U.N. by seeking to gather top officials private encryption keys, credit card details, and biometric data.
There were 109,032 violent deaths recorded in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, including 66,081 civilians. Leaked records from the Afghan War separately revealed coalition troops alleged role in killing at least 195 civilians in unreported incidents, one reportedly involving U.S. service members machine-gunning a bus, wounding or killing 15 passengers.
The U.S. Embassy in Paris advised Washington to start a military-style trade war against any European Union country that opposed genetically modified crops, with U.S. diplomats effectively working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto.
British and American officials colluded in a plan to mislead the British Parliament over a proposed ban on cluster bombs.
In Baghdad in 2007, a U.S. Army helicopter gunned down a group of civilians, including two Reuters news staff.
U.S. special operations forces were conducting offensive operations inside Pakistan despite sustained public denials and statements to the contrary by U.S. officials.
A leaked diplomatic cable provided evidence that during an incident in 2006, U.S. troops in Iraq executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence. The disclosure of this cable was later a significant factor in the Iraqi governments refusal to grant U.S. troops immunity from prosecution beyond 2011, which led to U.S. troops withdrawing from the country.
A NATO coalition in Afghanistan was using an undisclosed black unit of special operations forces to hunt down targets for death or detention without trial. The unit was revealed to have had a kill-or-capture list featuring details of more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida, but it had in some cases mistakenly killed men, women, children, and Afghan police officers.
The U.S. threatened the Italian government in an attempt to influence a court case involving the indictment of CIA agents over the kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Separately, U.S. officials were revealed to have pressured Spanish prosecutors to dissuade them from investigating U.S. torture allegations, secret extraordinary rendition flights, and the killing of a Spanish journalist by U.S. troops in Iraq.
In apparent violation of a 1946 U.N. convention, Washington initiated a spying campaign in 2009 that targeted the leadership of the U.N. by seeking to gather top officials private encryption keys, credit card details, and biometric data.
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Snowden's Dad: If Edward Would Have Stayed In the USA: "He would have been buried under the capital" [View all]
kpete
Aug 2013
OP
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Aug 2013
#60
He wouldn't have been protected because he didn't bother to become a whistleblower.
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#2
2005 is irrelevant, ant the Tamm case is irrelevant because the programs themselves had not
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#61
And here is why I object to the surveillance programs no matter who runs them
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#119
It does protect contractors. What it does not protect is release to the public--Snowden would have
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#13
Even if it is procured illegally by th egovernment? Even if it runs afoul of the 4th Amendment?
RC
Aug 2013
#103
Yes, he should have done what Drake and Binney did. Drake followed the rules to the last letter and
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#37
Doesn't Greenwald also have a financial interest in the movie that filmmaker is crafting? nt
MADem
Aug 2013
#31
Well, he could have disclosed under the Intelligence Community Whistleblowers Protection Act of 1998
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#14
Some secrets should be secret. Reasonable people can disagree about what those secrets are, but
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#22
Of course, history clearly shows how our government feels about whistleblowers. n/t
1awake
Aug 2013
#32
Like Drake did? How did that work for him?? Drake 'disclosed under the ICWP Act of 1998
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#41
How about Drake and Binney? They did everything according to the book and were destroyed
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#43
And this is why we need to encourage aggressive use of the ignore function.
backscatter712
Aug 2013
#72
It's Communist in name only. Actually it has the second largest capitalist
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#65
I did not deny that they have a Communist party. What I am saying is that they
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#126
If Edward had performed on his job and had nit stolen files and revealed information
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#130