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ProSense

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6. This is such

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:47 PM

Aug 2013

"President Obama is overseeing the largest and most frightening expansion of executive branch power in US history."

...nonsense. The President is rolling back a lot of Bush's expansions, and people see this as worse than Bush's illegal actions from secrecy, illegal war, torture, illegal spying and a host of other executive abuses.

It's really an attempt at redefining the adminstration to fit an agenda.

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Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He�ll Still Get No Credit [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

+1000 Ian David Aug 2013 #1

It is difficult when he has been perceived to have (right or wrongly) adopted hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2

This is like a crack addict wanting cudos for quiting cigarettes Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #3

More right wing bullshit (expansion of executive branch) and we're suppsoed to believe NONE of it uponit7771 Aug 2013 #5

"B-But Mom, all the kids are doing it!" Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #17

What the hell are you talking about? ProSense Aug 2013 #25

Nice straw men there, but I don't care what Rand Paul has to say about anything... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #29

No, you made fact-free and hyperbolic claim, and dismissing Rand Paul doesn't change that. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #39

that's the poster's MO. Cha Aug 2013 #83

or Obama's workable because he's tryign to walk the programs back some. Again, I'm not going uponit7771 Aug 2013 #56

But he is not walking them back, he is expanding them... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #65

Link and quote on "expansion" regards uponit7771 Aug 2013 #125

immediately declassify and explain in detail how our entire intelligence gather apparatus works... dionysus Aug 2013 #126

This is such ProSense Aug 2013 #6

It's really an attempt at redefining the adminstration to fit an agenda Egnever Aug 2013 #55

"Bush's illegal actions from secrecy, illegal war, torture, illegal spying OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #60

Hoisted by her Own Petard! bvar22 Aug 2013 #73

An Educational excerpt from Wiki so that everybody can enjoy the visual. bvar22 Aug 2013 #76

"Wow. That sounds serious. " ProSense Aug 2013 #112

According to Eric Holder, those things are "policy differences." OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #124

Indeed. Skidmore Aug 2013 #67

Yes and he increased the chocolate rations too. zeemike Aug 2013 #71

It's an inane post. Igel Aug 2013 #111

+10000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #16

"What an absurd OP." ProSense Aug 2013 #18

The absurd ProPaganda, incessant denial of the record woo me with science Aug 2013 #38

LOL, love it! Real links to real stories! Thanks! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #41

You posted a wall of "blue links," but ProSense Aug 2013 #42

What an illustrative reply. woo me with science Aug 2013 #62

You posted more personal attacks and didn't answer the question. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #66

Pointing out the modus operandi of authoritarian propaganda is not a personal attack. woo me with science Aug 2013 #75

"You are not special, ProSense. " ProSense Aug 2013 #88

Nyahh nyyahh! OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #90

"Nyahh nyyahh!" You are calling somone a "six-year old"? ProSense Aug 2013 #94

Its the Children's Version of the "To Quoque Logical Fallacy". bvar22 Aug 2013 #114

"You posted a wall of 'blue links' but ignored the question" mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #89

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #96

+1000 zeemike Aug 2013 #74

Question: ProSense Aug 2013 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Aug 2013 #59

Despite the blustering denials from the usual crowd, bvar22 Aug 2013 #21

Well said. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #24

Despite the big type, no he isn't. ProSense Aug 2013 #27

The NDAA alone surpasses any and all of the token gestures you listed. bvar22 Aug 2013 #30

Nonsense. ProSense Aug 2013 #37

We now "legally" outsource all our torture needs (renditions), bvar22 Aug 2013 #69

"Making it legal." The travesty of corporate/authoritarian "morality." woo me with science Aug 2013 #79

What? ProSense Aug 2013 #84

In your frenzied meltdown, you didn't read the links I provided... bvar22 Aug 2013 #117

No, I'm not having a "frenzied meltdown" ProSense Aug 2013 #123

Beautifully put, ProSense. ucrdem Aug 2013 #54

The record speaks for itself, woo me with science Aug 2013 #68

Please allow me to insert this here: bvar22 Aug 2013 #81

+1000 forestpath Aug 2013 #115

+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #48

I've said it before, no matter what Obama does purist left and FUDr will find something pick uponit7771 Aug 2013 #4

Nance Greggs just posted the ultimate ODS handbook that covers Cha Aug 2013 #86

If Obama found the cure to cancer he wouldn't get credit SummerSnow Aug 2013 #7

Absolutely, ProSense Aug 2013 #8

+1, bashers would say he's putting people out of work uponit7771 Aug 2013 #9

Sad, but true. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #116

Obama has been in office six years Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #10

The speech was from May. The speech was from May. Recursion Aug 2013 #11

The reports, both ProSense Aug 2013 #15

That was um, 3 months ago. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #22

Signed Patriot Act in May. Signed Patriot Act in May JimDandy Aug 2013 #35

The Bubble of Denial: bvar22 Aug 2013 #72

Obama has been in office four and a half years. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #12

Gee, that makes all the difference. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #23

A year and a half does. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #44

Not really Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #46

Yes, facts matter. Four and a half years does not equal six years. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #47

But it's more than enough time to stand up for the constitution Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #49

You mean like repealing DADT? ProSense Aug 2013 #53

Actually I'm talking about the Patriot Act and NSA spying Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #61

You are talking about it, ProSense Aug 2013 #100

Obama has renewed the Patriot Act every time it's come up Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #102

"Until he eliminates completely, everything else on the subject of spying is just spin and lies." ProSense Aug 2013 #104

I never said he should abolish the NSA Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #106

Same here Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #36

Only Snowden could hold Obama's feet to the fire! leftstreet Aug 2013 #13

Ok MFrohike Aug 2013 #14

k&r... spanone Aug 2013 #19

Are you kidding? ODS is a disease for a reason. No matter what this Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #26

DU Scurrilous Aug 2013 #28

That isn't voluntary. He is being compelled by the recent house vote. dkf Aug 2013 #31

^^^proof^^^ spanone Aug 2013 #33

Track record dkf Aug 2013 #57

^^^more proof^^^ spanone Aug 2013 #58

He'll get credit for not doing it bigger, better , faster, stronger. bravenak Aug 2013 #32

Blah, blah...and furthermore: blah blah, and blah. wtmusic Aug 2013 #34

I am sick of people acting like Snowden did not escalate the issue! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #40

But that won't necessarily make things better Recursion Aug 2013 #45

I think more outrage exists now that I hope scales it back. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #50

More outrage certainly exists Recursion Aug 2013 #52

Again, credit where credit is due. blackspade Aug 2013 #43

Our ancestors fought and died for this prinicple: JDPriestly Aug 2013 #51

'Obama says' doesn't cut it anymore. His speeches are just speeches. They mean nothing. bowens43 Aug 2013 #63

Ohh, he made a paper concession. Excuse me for being unimpressed. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #64

I re-read the speech and it seems to me like he was speaking of winding down military actions... dkf Aug 2013 #70

He also talked about creating a privacy and civil liberties board Recursion Aug 2013 #77

They've had a privacy board since 2004. dkf Aug 2013 #80

And are those meetings secret too? You know they are. More trust me BS. dkf Aug 2013 #85

Too bad Recursion Aug 2013 #87

Actually Snowden is showing us. You are right that the Govt won't. dkf Aug 2013 #93

Checkmate. bvar22 Aug 2013 #118

it's checkmate after checkmate, but they just won't listen burnodo Aug 2013 #119

Would you like to know WHY? bvar22 Aug 2013 #121

Well lookee here.... dkf Aug 2013 #122

The President addressed surveillance and privacy. ProSense Aug 2013 #78

He had a privacy board and has personally nominated people since 2010. dkf Aug 2013 #82

Not accurate ProSense Aug 2013 #92

Can you post the relevant section please? I don't want to have to guess what your point is. dkf Aug 2013 #95

You don't need "a relevant section" to recognize that the claim ProSense Aug 2013 #98

Hey I posted that they had confirmed a chair!!! I don't need you to tell me. dkf Aug 2013 #101

What? ProSense Aug 2013 #105

ONCE. After Snowden. Sad sad sad. dkf Aug 2013 #107

What are you talking about? The meeting was last year. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #108

Well, I tried wading thru this thread and all I'm seeing is the usual hyperventilation, so, Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #91

Here you go Recursion Aug 2013 #97

Thanks! Just read it. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #103

But doesn't it seem like he wanted to EXPAND surveillance in lieu of using military ops? dkf Aug 2013 #109

Huh? Where in that speech do you see that? n/t Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #110

I made the argument above, where you got the link. dkf Aug 2013 #113

Never mind. See a few links to it here at the bottom. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #99

Why? LWolf Aug 2013 #120