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In reply to the discussion: Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He’ll Still Get No Credit [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)"We are talking here about a US President who claims the power to SPY on and KILL any American he wants, with no judicial process, no congressional review, no oversight, just his discretion. Whoever he wants, wherever he wants, for any reasons he deems fit, all in secret. He has also claimed the power to murder the citizens of other countries, with or without the governments of those countries permission. Even Bush never claimed power like this. No President ever has. That's the kind of power reserved to Kings and tyrants."
Where the hell does the President claim "the power to SPY on and KILL any American he wants, with no judicial process"?
I mean, that's some serious fact-free fear mongering. Didn't we go through this with "Stand With Rand"?
Even Greenwald tried to walk back Rand's claim:
The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711
His defense, of course was utter bullshit.
http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120