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87. Puppet strings, all government are pompous puppets, especially if they

Reply to truedelphi (Reply #76)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:39 PM

Aug 2013

disagree with me.

And he certainly thinks he is smarter than the rest of us mere plebes.

He already addressed that point, so he does know more than we do (it's pretty silly to think there is any point debating specific secrets in public)

“There are certain things that are appropriate for me to know that’s not appropriate for the bad guys to know,” he said. “Anything that quote the American people know, the bad guys know so there’s a line here, right?

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Sen. Al Franken: “I Assure You This Isn’t About Spying on the American People” [View all] Playinghardball Aug 2013 OP

To Sen Franken: COULD it be used against the American people? PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #1

And there in lays the problem. Little Star Aug 2013 #2

You COULD decide to hurt someone too. Aside from your good graces, what stops you? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #15

for most of us its LAWS tk2kewl Aug 2013 #20

I think morality is the correct answer here, not laws. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #26

there are plenty of amoral people who would abuse the power given to them... so i think it's laws tk2kewl Aug 2013 #33

I really hope it's not just a law that is holding you back from hurting someone... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #32

not the point tk2kewl Aug 2013 #34

You made it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #41

So if Pres Liz Cheney wants to use this info dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #89

Well I don't think we'll ever see a President Liz Cheney, so... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #91

So you won't even look at the misuse of this data dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #113

That's the problem... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #117

Well that's just priceless dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #118

It leads to what we've had forever... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #120

Big difference dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #122

Na'. You're just naive. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #124

Naive is equating what Hoover had to TIA dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #127

Sure they do. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #135

If I go to your mailbox while you are at work each Month and take out your phone bill, open it JDPriestly Aug 2013 #81

I don't really understand the comparison... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #84

what makes you that confident? frylock Aug 2013 #92

I really don't talk to many people. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #93

so what you meant to say is "it doesn't effect me, so fuck your concerns." frylock Aug 2013 #99

I'm sure it doesn't effect 99.9% of the country. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #103

i'm sure that you're incorrect with that assessment frylock Aug 2013 #107

This is information that we do not want the government to have. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #111

Great explanation even at this late hour...makes sense. It's as the 1% snappyturtle Aug 2013 #126

And what stops you from doing that? This is the key to this whole kerfuffle stevenleser Aug 2013 #114

Actually, in Los Angeles, people buy mailboxes with locks. That doesn't make it impossible, JDPriestly Aug 2013 #121

Well put... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #143

You don't have to be much of a student of human nature to know... TheMadMonk Aug 2013 #152

That article was written about Franken back in June 2013 before some of the recent sessions. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #86

Police have guns and battering rams. Better take those away too. Recursion Aug 2013 #5

True, but it is nearly impossible to do it in secret PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6

I don't know; apparently we blow up reporters' cars now Recursion Aug 2013 #8

Let's just get rid of the cops, the army, social security, medicare, the IRS, etc. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #11

A hacker COULD do almost everything alleged too. How do you propose we stop that? The point of that stevenleser Aug 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Scuba Aug 2013 #13

Is it being used against Al? Scuba Aug 2013 #14

My Mailman Can Read My Mail Any Time He Wants To Skraxx Aug 2013 #21

It is a crime to open other people's mail. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #47

Indeed, That's My Point, So Is Listening To Peoples Phone Calls and Reading Their Emails Skraxx Aug 2013 #51

I believe that is an untrue statement. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #52

So Listening To Phone Calls Without A Warrant Is Not A Crime? LOL! Umm, Your "Belief" Is Irrelevant Skraxx Aug 2013 #53

There was more to your statement than that. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #54

No There Wasn't; Listening to Phonecalls and Reading Emails w/out Warrants Is A Crime, Period. Skraxx Aug 2013 #96

Holder does not agree with you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #97

And its a crime for NSA personel to look at stuff that isn't cleared and a national security concern phleshdef Aug 2013 #58

is it a crime or just an internal policy? n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #62

A reply to you all. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #29

Shall not be violated? MADem Aug 2013 #129

when did the Constitution EVER apply to Russia or China? n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #130

So, they're welcome to our shit, then! nt MADem Aug 2013 #132

okee dokee PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #133

Not really. MADem Aug 2013 #134

they would tell us if they were planning to markiv Aug 2013 #35

I guess you disapprove of the Income Tax? brooklynite Aug 2013 #45

I don't like the IRS's reach into my life. However, it knows what I have snappyturtle Aug 2013 #128

Yeah, under a different administration. pnwmom Aug 2013 #75

Reason, but hey ... who needs that shit now. Limbaugh and Greenwald said Government = bad uponit7771 Aug 2013 #3

Clapper and Alexander had a perfectly good forum to Aerows Aug 2013 #25

...yeah, an idiot and a basher...throw them to the dogs and I understand clappers story uponit7771 Aug 2013 #72

See, here's where the bucket fails to hold any water Aerows Aug 2013 #82

Are you talking about the question Senator Wyden asked Clapper? neverforget Aug 2013 #110

And we should believe the NSA has been 100% forthcoming with any Senator because...? n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #4

Exactly. Gregorian Aug 2013 #17

Two of them lied before Congress Aerows Aug 2013 #23

I think we can do better than LGF (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #7

Another corporate shill eissa Aug 2013 #9

Uh oh, time to throw Franken under the bus now. stevenleser Aug 2013 #10

lol, i understand the subject but i still okieinpain Aug 2013 #19

When he was running for office, and stated that we needed to keep the Big Insurers in the loop, truedelphi Aug 2013 #16

That's how I feel about him. n/t LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #43

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #65

And just who are these "bad guys" starroute Aug 2013 #18

Al Franken was a hero of the "Snowden=hero, Obama=bad" Progressive dog Aug 2013 #36

Do I need to quote Thomas Jefferson here? starroute Aug 2013 #79

OMG, quotes from Jefferson, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #149

It's the Qaeda. They're out there... chattering... increasingly... sometimes not so much, Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #71

Indeed, the "bad guy" scenario chervilant Aug 2013 #141

Al Franken, from hero to scoundrel in one simple sentence. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #22

So you believe that people that lie Aerows Aug 2013 #28

Common sense tells me that I should believe Al Franken Progressive dog Aug 2013 #40

Common sense tells me Aerows Aug 2013 #42

I wish I was les scynical and could accept your logic. truedelphi Aug 2013 #76

Puppet strings, all government are pompous puppets, especially if they Progressive dog Aug 2013 #87

Many of us have already remarked on that "line." truedelphi Aug 2013 #98

If the elected government does stuff we don't like, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100

Before some random internet poster, pnwmom Aug 2013 #77

Fuck Ron Paul. JTFrog Aug 2013 #80

I agree, I was mocking the obvious Pauitel Libertarians Progressive dog Aug 2013 #151

If it comes down to siding with Ron Paul on one side, and Sen Frankin & Pres Obama on the other baldguy Aug 2013 #109

If it comes down to siding with Jimmy Carter on one side Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #116

Ask Valarie Plame if Cheney isn't above breaking the law like Snowden did. baldguy Aug 2013 #145

Good for you, I'm with Obama and Franken Progressive dog Aug 2013 #148

I"m sorry... Did you say "check your dailypaul?" Orrex Aug 2013 #144

Yes I said Dailypaul, I was mockng those supposed Progressive dog Aug 2013 #146

Ah. Sorry--missed the joke Orrex Aug 2013 #147

How confident is my esteemed Senator that he's being truthfully briefed? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #24

Not at all Aerows Aug 2013 #27

He got the least untruthful answer Aerows Aug 2013 #30

NOBODY can be trusted with that much power markiv Aug 2013 #31

We're spying on the people. That's the ONLY thing these programs do... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #37

+100000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #56

Yep. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #67

Lie vs Lie...er I mean Spy vs...er leftstreet Aug 2013 #83

Franken voted against worker protections in the immigration bill,too markiv Aug 2013 #38

he's revived his comedy career, playing a senator who will say markiv Aug 2013 #39

This article is 2 months old. Franken has very different comments now... riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #44

Good catch. wtmusic Aug 2013 #49

Bravo! Important that people's views be allowed to evolve and that they HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #66

The positions are not "very different." SunSeeker Aug 2013 #94

Yup, Franken is still funny! Helen Borg Aug 2013 #46

Are the bad guys people who get droned? wtmusic Aug 2013 #48

But, but, but, those kids mighta, coulda maybe grown up to be bad guys. RC Aug 2013 #104

Sorry, Sen. Franken, but that doesn't wash. blackspade Aug 2013 #50

Your last line is self explanatory. RC Aug 2013 #106

Franken supported SOPA and PIPA, too. woo me with science Aug 2013 #55

Mmmm... sopaipillas. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #74

con chile verde por favor! bobduca Aug 2013 #112

:-| DeSwiss Aug 2013 #57

Wow, putting a comment that's no longer relevant, nice try at propaganda AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #59

So all of the fantasists who are intent on loosing the Senate intaglio Aug 2013 #60

you got it right there! dionysus Aug 2013 #123

I hate these kinds of rides. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #61

Al, what happened to you? Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #63

Imagine if terror tactics were used against US in the age before electronic communication . . . SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #64

That's dated June 10th. His position has changed. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #68

How has it changed? Does he now say the NSA spies on Americans? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #95

Please tell me that he is not a chess player. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #69

Franken doesn't get it. We knew this about him already. closeupready Aug 2013 #70

Thank you. Your remrks are spot on. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #78

there is no fourth amendment Egnever Aug 2013 #125

That's such a right-wing meme, you should be ashamed of yourself. closeupready Aug 2013 #142

Franken has heard apologists for the program present the theory. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #73

I loved Al Franken, but he's become the biggest disappointment since... maddiemom Aug 2013 #85

Two words: NIXON ADMINISTRATION lastlib Aug 2013 #88

K & R SunSeeker Aug 2013 #90

Totally agree with Senator Franken. DCBob Aug 2013 #101

98.4% of you are paranoid. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #102

But that does not mean they are not after you. RC Aug 2013 #108

Bullshit. And shame on you woo me with science Aug 2013 #153

I can see that our good friend the Senator has already been thrown under the purity bus... Hekate Aug 2013 #105

He's been run over by the bus, backed over by the bus davidpdx Aug 2013 #137

are you another willing to toss his freedom under the bus to spout the party line? bowens43 Aug 2013 #139

Absolutely. No question about it. Franken is my kind of authoritarian. You can make book on that. nt Hekate Aug 2013 #154

I trust and respect Franken over Snowden any day. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #115

Franken is a good guy, but he's always been rather trusting of authority. Marr Aug 2013 #119

He is not a born politician... Helen Borg Aug 2013 #140

can someone help pull al from under the bus? madrchsod Aug 2013 #131

He forgot to add an important line. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #136

and yet it is spying on the American people..... collecting the data is spying. Period. bowens43 Aug 2013 #138

Too late, the kabuki theater was exposed early on Rex Aug 2013 #150