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In reply to the discussion: Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He’ll Still Get No Credit [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)117. In your frenzied meltdown, you didn't read the links I provided...
...from The Washington Post and Public Citizen with corroboration from multiple independent sources.
I will repeat them in the hope that maybe the blindness has subsided.
Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns
Washington Post, 2013
The men are the latest example of how the Obama administration has embraced rendition the practice of holding and interrogating terrorism suspects in other countries without due process despite widespread condemnation of the tactic in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-01/world/36323571_1_obama-administration-interrogation-drone-strikes
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-01/world/36323571_1_obama-administration-interrogation-drone-strikes
Somalia's Prisons: the War on Terror's Latest Front, Daily Beast, June 2012
The U.S. acknowledged it has a military presence in Somalia just last month. The warden at an overcrowded Somali prison says the Americans have sent him sixteen prisoners since 2009. A Pentagon spokesman says only that the U.S. has handed prisoners "back over to where they came from."
http://www.propublica.org/article/the-best-reporting-on-detention-and-rendition-under-obama
Here is another one:
Somalias Prisons: The War on Terrors Latest Front
So now its official: United States soldiers have been hunting down al Qaeda affiliates in Somalia. When the White House confirmed earlier this month what has long been an open secret, most of the ensuing chatter focused on the need for greater transparency about the expanding war on terror.
Less discussed was what happens to all those alleged terrorists when theyre captured alive.
Pentagon spokesman James Gregory wouldnt confirm the number of prisoners the U.S. has sent to Bosaso, only that it has handed over prisoners, back over to where they came from. He said the U.S. is returning them to their government, and their government takes them.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/27/somalia-s-prisons-the-war-on-terror-s-latest-front.html
So, depending on what the definition of the word "is" is,
in the most twisted sense, the US does NOT torture anymore.
What we DO is hand them over to [font size=3]KNOWN TORTURERS[/font] for their "interrogations" WITH US personnel in attendance.
Now if YOU want to slither under THAT bar to claim that there are no more "Renditions, and the US No Longer Tortures,
[font size=3]Please Proceed.[/font]
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]
not by their speeches, promises, or excuses.
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Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He’ll Still Get No Credit [View all]
Recursion
Aug 2013
OP
More right wing bullshit (expansion of executive branch) and we're suppsoed to believe NONE of it
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#5
Nice straw men there, but I don't care what Rand Paul has to say about anything...
Demo_Chris
Aug 2013
#29
No, you made fact-free and hyperbolic claim, and dismissing Rand Paul doesn't change that. n/t
ProSense
Aug 2013
#39
or Obama's workable because he's tryign to walk the programs back some. Again, I'm not going
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#56
immediately declassify and explain in detail how our entire intelligence gather apparatus works...
dionysus
Aug 2013
#126
Pointing out the modus operandi of authoritarian propaganda is not a personal attack.
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#75
"Making it legal." The travesty of corporate/authoritarian "morality."
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#79
I've said it before, no matter what Obama does purist left and FUDr will find something pick
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#4
"Until he eliminates completely, everything else on the subject of spying is just spin and lies."
ProSense
Aug 2013
#104
'Obama says' doesn't cut it anymore. His speeches are just speeches. They mean nothing.
bowens43
Aug 2013
#63
I re-read the speech and it seems to me like he was speaking of winding down military actions...
dkf
Aug 2013
#70
Can you post the relevant section please? I don't want to have to guess what your point is.
dkf
Aug 2013
#95
Well, I tried wading thru this thread and all I'm seeing is the usual hyperventilation, so,
Benton D Struckcheon
Aug 2013
#91