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In reply to the discussion: Corporate Fury Over NSA's Contracting Ties Is Why Snowdon In Trouble. [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)35. There's yet another factor in this: Gen. Hayden's domestic program was spying before 9/11
Before Bush made him CIA Director, Gen. Michael Hayden was head of the NSA. By the late 1990s, Hayden's Groundbreaker Project has already spent hundreds of millions to essentially privatize NSA and turn over many of its IT functions to the major telephone carriers and other private contractors. Today, Groundbreaker is widely described as having been a major technical flop and an immense waste of funding on programs that we are told didn't work. However, the project did complete a couple of large data centers, and was -- as this article shows -- already engaged in large-scale domestic phone interception before 9/11.
Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
By Andrew Harris - June 30, 2006 18:46 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE
June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.
The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.
``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This undermines that assertion.''
The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store data on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been filed over claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone companies, violated the privacy rights of their customers by cooperating with the NSA in an effort to track alleged terrorists.
``The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither confirm nor deny AT&T's participation in the alleged NSA program because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national security' and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,'' AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.
U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman Don Weber declined to comment.
Pioneer Groundbreaker
The NSA initiative, code-named ``Pioneer Groundbreaker,'' asked AT&T unit AT&T Solutions to build exclusively for NSA use a network operations center which duplicated AT&T's Bedminster, New Jersey facility, the court papers claimed. That plan was abandoned in favor of the NSA acquiring the monitoring technology itself, plaintiffs' lawyers Bruce Afran said.
The NSA says on its Web site that in June 2000, the agency was seeking bids for a project to ``modernize and improve its information technology infrastructure.'' The plan, which included the privatization of its ``non-mission related'' systems support, was said to be part of Project Groundbreaker.
Mayer said the Pioneer project is ``a different component'' of that initiative.
Mayer and Afran said an unnamed former employee of the AT&T unit provided them with evidence that the NSA approached the carrier with the proposed plan. Afran said he has seen the worker's log book and independently confirmed the source's participation in the project. He declined to identify the employee.
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Corporate Fury Over NSA's Contracting Ties Is Why Snowdon In Trouble. [View all]
TheMastersNemesis
Aug 2013
OP
The media, including HuffPo, is a corporate interest. The fact that there are still people walking
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#52
Now, if we just think that through while considering the TRILLIONS involved, we ineluctably---yes,
WinkyDink
Aug 2013
#11
The main reason is that they can NOT have a successful whistleblower out there, FREE
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Aug 2013
#8
"ties to the Carlyle Group and Bin Laden family." If only more Americans (including here) would
WinkyDink
Aug 2013
#10
Or he hired on to a company for the sole reason of stealing states secrets, gave them
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#13
'An inherent conflict of interest'! Exactly. Clapper is a perfect example of that conflict. He lied
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#17
The merging of the Corporate World and the State which is where we are now. So of course it isn't
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#22
Read this article from '94 about the CIA being used to help US corps against foreign competitors
leveymg
Aug 2013
#30
Interesting article. I have doubt that this has been going on for a long time. However, since 9/11
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#34
There's yet another factor in this: Gen. Hayden's domestic program was spying before 9/11
leveymg
Aug 2013
#35
Snowden is in "trouble" because he's reporting LAWMAKERS breaking the law.
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#47
The original post is presented without evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2013
#26
Also, Clapper used to be a Booz Allen VP; Mike McConnell (DNI '07-'09) is now their vice chairman
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#55
Good material. Thanks for the link. I'm glad to be able to put the context around the facts. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2013
#57
No, Snowden is in trouble because he stole four computers full of TS information
jmowreader
Aug 2013
#28
Sorry to tell you, but Snowden himself was a useful idiot for these same people......nt
AverageJoe90
Aug 2013
#32
The entirety of the Bush mal-administration was about the $. And the control, too...remember, it was
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#42
then maybe you can tell me why Republicans see Fascism as their Utopia.
SleeplessinSoCal
Aug 2013
#61