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In reply to the discussion: Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He’ll Still Get No Credit [View all]dkf
(37,305 posts)122. Well lookee here....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023453672
Changing of strategy using more drone strikes and I contend more use of worldwide mass surveillance.
The choice of words from the official is significant, particularly "couldn't." What the military (or CIA) once couldn't do in initiating a threat, it now can. Because, in practice, the rules changed in the direction of facilitating drone strikes. That was clearly not the impression the president gave in May.
Among] the four changes to how the NSA conducts its surveillance that the president announced last week, none limited the ability of the agency to collect information outright. The two that might have that effect reforms to Section 215 of the Patriot Act and external review of the processes were presented without timelines. As the Times put it in a separate editorial, the proposals suggested that "all Mr. Obama is inclined to do is tweak these programs." Which was echoed in how Obama presented them: his proposals were a response to critique, not to an perceived ineffectiveness from their use to surveil terrorists.
In other words, those nebulous changes are meant to assuage concerns, not to actually change the processes with which people took issue mirroring the proposals on drones. Once a situation arose in which the proposed drone policy required modification to expand their use, the administration appears to have done so. Offering skeptics plenty of justification for taking his new NSA proposals with quite a few grains of salt.
Among] the four changes to how the NSA conducts its surveillance that the president announced last week, none limited the ability of the agency to collect information outright. The two that might have that effect reforms to Section 215 of the Patriot Act and external review of the processes were presented without timelines. As the Times put it in a separate editorial, the proposals suggested that "all Mr. Obama is inclined to do is tweak these programs." Which was echoed in how Obama presented them: his proposals were a response to critique, not to an perceived ineffectiveness from their use to surveil terrorists.
In other words, those nebulous changes are meant to assuage concerns, not to actually change the processes with which people took issue mirroring the proposals on drones. Once a situation arose in which the proposed drone policy required modification to expand their use, the administration appears to have done so. Offering skeptics plenty of justification for taking his new NSA proposals with quite a few grains of salt.
Changing of strategy using more drone strikes and I contend more use of worldwide mass surveillance.
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Obama Is Giving Up Some Executive Power, and He’ll Still Get No Credit [View all]
Recursion
Aug 2013
OP
More right wing bullshit (expansion of executive branch) and we're suppsoed to believe NONE of it
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#5
Nice straw men there, but I don't care what Rand Paul has to say about anything...
Demo_Chris
Aug 2013
#29
No, you made fact-free and hyperbolic claim, and dismissing Rand Paul doesn't change that. n/t
ProSense
Aug 2013
#39
or Obama's workable because he's tryign to walk the programs back some. Again, I'm not going
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#56
immediately declassify and explain in detail how our entire intelligence gather apparatus works...
dionysus
Aug 2013
#126
Pointing out the modus operandi of authoritarian propaganda is not a personal attack.
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#75
"Making it legal." The travesty of corporate/authoritarian "morality."
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#79
I've said it before, no matter what Obama does purist left and FUDr will find something pick
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#4
"Until he eliminates completely, everything else on the subject of spying is just spin and lies."
ProSense
Aug 2013
#104
'Obama says' doesn't cut it anymore. His speeches are just speeches. They mean nothing.
bowens43
Aug 2013
#63
I re-read the speech and it seems to me like he was speaking of winding down military actions...
dkf
Aug 2013
#70
Can you post the relevant section please? I don't want to have to guess what your point is.
dkf
Aug 2013
#95
Well, I tried wading thru this thread and all I'm seeing is the usual hyperventilation, so,
Benton D Struckcheon
Aug 2013
#91