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tularetom

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69. Anybody, I don't care who

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:12 AM

Aug 2013

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result - isn't that the definition of insanity?

By the time Bill Clinton left office I was happy to see him go. The good things he did were outweighed by the pro business, pro war attitudes that characterized most of the policies he championed.

Somehow, I thought things would be different with Obama. Then I thought they would be different when he was freed from having to run for re-election. I'm not yet to the point of saying I'll be happy to see him leave office but I sure am disappointed.

At this point I have finally realized the insanity of voting for corporate Democrats and expecting them to act like real Democrats. So why should I vote for another corporate Democrat.

You know, there's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

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If not Hillary, then who? [View all] OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 OP

If we want to win the WH we would choose Hillary, if we want to stand up for our JaneyVee Aug 2013 #1

Same old argument we always get, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Fell for it for way sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

So if I understand correctly... OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #23

Yes, is it against some law or something? You sound like you're questioning a suspect in a crime. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52

Wow! HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #95

It does answer my question. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #105

Wait, continuing in the vein of your 'questions'. Let me ask you this question, because I too want sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #127

I didn't read OmahaBlueDog's post as something positive about the Tea Party. maui902 Aug 2013 #131

I will support a Progressive Democrat for any and all elected offices. I think my position is clear. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #133

You are arguing against a point I am not making maui902 Aug 2013 #136

It's hard to find a perfect candidate. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #139

The middle is not what it used to be. The middle is now the neocon, Wall St Third Way. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #146

I will respond one more time maui902 Aug 2013 #147

I am a political scientist by training (not by profession) OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #134

I keep envisioning the bodies of American families killed by President Rand Paul. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #24

I keep envisioning children suffering due to a defunded education system and parents liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #30

Hillary caters to the rich? Her voting record seems to say otherwise JaneyVee Aug 2013 #34

Totally agree. Phlem Aug 2013 #38

as we've witnessed Phlem Aug 2013 #45

You're free to entertain yourself with macabre fantasies. I was speaking of a real tragedy which has sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #41

+1 Phlem Aug 2013 #49

Look, she's def not my number one choice, but if she's the nominee I will vote JaneyVee Aug 2013 #53

You mean like all the ones killed by President McCain? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #79

But unable to envision the bodies of those killed by this President... Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #99

+1. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #138

Let me put it this way, Obama wasn't in the Senate for the IWR vote. Beacool Aug 2013 #155

Hillary can't win, but our side can win with this woman running on this message ... Scuba Aug 2013 #108

Hillary can't win, but Warren can? Beacool Aug 2013 #151

Hillary can't attract anyone from the 40% of potential voters who typically stay home. Scuba Aug 2013 #153

I don't know where you get that figure. Beacool Aug 2013 #156

What figure? The 40% who don't vote? Scuba Aug 2013 #158

I misunderstood. Beacool Aug 2013 #160

Right! And that's where the available votes are! Scuba Aug 2013 #162

The time-stamp on your post says November 2007 Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #118

Yes, but there's another problem. Pab Sungenis Aug 2013 #128

It's Hillary. She will serve 8 years. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #2

she just might, but she will have to do it without my vote. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #4

I'm sure she'll miss it. But the trashcan won't. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #6

. Agschmid Aug 2013 #12

Even if she's the nominee??? JaneyVee Aug 2013 #16

Same here. mick063 Aug 2013 #29

OK, but suppose it's not. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #25

I know she's running. I know she will win. Why pretend this isn't so? MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #55

Two reasons OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #66

. Little Star Aug 2013 #117

80-20 Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #119

It's a good question. Agschmid Aug 2013 #3

I think that will be sorted out in the next primary election. kentuck Aug 2013 #5

Think again. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #7

I thought again. kentuck Aug 2013 #10

The definition of insanity. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #13

lol you should know. your posts are a vivid illustration of that. cali Aug 2013 #104

too bad you can't snuff them all with alerts, eh? That is your MO. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #126

I think most progressives want a different direction. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #26

True Dat! Phlem Aug 2013 #54

Martin O'Malley. Please review his record. He has been a strong supporter of madinmaryland Aug 2013 #8

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2013 #9

Being from MD as well... Xyzse Aug 2013 #15

I love his record on education. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #17

And there you have it: Clinton/O'Malley JaneyVee Aug 2013 #18

no. I will not vote for Hillary for President. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #21

You're staying home on Election Day? JaneyVee Aug 2013 #27

just FYI, you do not have to tell anyone who you will vote for quinnox Aug 2013 #28

I really don't care if they give me the third degree or not. They cannot force to me to vote for liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #33

True, and they can ask about who you might vote for, but no one has to answer quinnox Aug 2013 #37

Uh, I'm just asking a follow up question. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #42

It's not just you quinnox Aug 2013 #56

I'd lose a lot of respect for Marty having known him for nearly 15 years... Chan790 Aug 2013 #149

He is a great organizer and has pushed through many good issues in MD Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #48

I'm warming up to O'Malley loyalsister Aug 2013 #102

Yup. I really like this guy. HappyMe Aug 2013 #122

just a weeeeee bit early quinnox Aug 2013 #11

Hillary is running and Huma Abedin is on her campaign. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #19

I'll believe it when she formally announces quinnox Aug 2013 #22

Which is a problem due to her Anthony Weiner baggage OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #142

BS, we need to start looking NOW for a challenger. joshcryer Aug 2013 #43

Have you seen her lately? quinnox Aug 2013 #47

Looks fine in the election reform speech. joshcryer Aug 2013 #58

Ok, well I saw a Barbara Walters interview with her and she looked bad, like in her face she had quinnox Aug 2013 #62

Could have been a bad case of jet lag. Dog knows she's traveled enough. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #68

huh, good point quinnox Aug 2013 #72

She is getting older and some women get saggy skin under their chin. I really don't care what liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #76

I understand that. But think about this, as the president you are going to be photographed 24/7, and quinnox Aug 2013 #88

Oh for Christs sake ! lumpy Aug 2013 #96

I actually just spent some time going over pics (pics inside). joshcryer Aug 2013 #71

Yea, she does look better there, especially in the top pic quinnox Aug 2013 #74

Skip to about 1:14 on this video: joshcryer Aug 2013 #78

Ok, yea, she does look better there quinnox Aug 2013 #81

She is looking pretty good here.... Little Star Aug 2013 #123

I always try to hfojvt Aug 2013 #63

Is this all some kind of grand theater to distract from the next actual election? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #100

I still think this is too early, but... Is it odd that I like Biden? Xyzse Aug 2013 #14

I could see Biden as our next President. Marie Marie Aug 2013 #35

Yes, but he is getting old and needs to get some botox. At least that is what I heard if anyone lumpy Aug 2013 #97

I like Biden as well. A lot in fact. mick063 Aug 2013 #39

Message here is liberals will stay home and hold their breath..next.. Historic NY Aug 2013 #31

based on the numbers saying it... Chan790 Aug 2013 #150

do any of you think Gore might give it another whirl? sad-cafe Aug 2013 #32

I think he should and I think he could definitely win Samantha Aug 2013 #93

I'd vote for Al Gore in a heartbeat Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #103

Too old. Needs botox. lumpy Aug 2013 #98

certainly someone who did not support those insane wars Skittles Aug 2013 #36

Posted a similar thread, mostly waffling, no real answers. joshcryer Aug 2013 #40

Remember the "anyone but Mitt" calls by many Republicans? mick063 Aug 2013 #46

I definitely remember and hell I even fell for it at times. joshcryer Aug 2013 #50

why must we be herded into picking one person especially right now? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #57

We need to find a challenger! joshcryer Aug 2013 #60

I agree we need to find a challenger but it's okay if it doesn't happen today or tomorrow. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #64

This isn't about knowing who is running. joshcryer Aug 2013 #75

I'm sorry I don't play the persuade game. I don't believe in trying to browbeat people into liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #80

What do you think campaigning is? joshcryer Aug 2013 #83

I don't care if you lift a finger or not. Geez why is it everybody on this board thinks they get to liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #85

Who is telling anyone what to do? joshcryer Aug 2013 #89

Elijah Cummings Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #44

I just googled his record on the issues theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #113

Russ Feingold (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #51

I'd have a lot more respect for the "I won't vote for Hillary" crowd... brooklynite Aug 2013 #59

I don't really care if you have respect for me or not. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #61

Thanks very much for your response... brooklynite Aug 2013 #67

So who is it? mick063 Aug 2013 #84

Not saying I'm the only person politically engaged... brooklynite Aug 2013 #132

Can't do all that alone. All I have is my one vote. Hillary will not get it. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #65

Sad...if only there was a way for you to communicate with other people... brooklynite Aug 2013 #121

Keeping in mind that I supported Hillary in '08, and will most likely do so in '16 OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #70

This post Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #120

Anybody, I don't care who tularetom Aug 2013 #69

OK..you don't care who. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #73

Well, he is on the NRA's shit list for proposing to tighten background check rules tularetom Aug 2013 #116

I would have a hard time voting for someone who voted for the Iraq war, ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #77

Hopefully, a progressive or, at least, a liberal for a change. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #82

+1 limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #86

We have a very limited bench other than Secretary Clinton. Biden is IMHO too old... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #87

+1 I very much hope she does also! Little Star Aug 2013 #124

I generally agree, although you left out Al Gore OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #137

It wasn't deliberate-he's just kept such a low profile I forgot about the possibility... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #148

Clinton/Weiner Politicalboi Aug 2013 #90

weiner/holder SwampG8r Aug 2013 #111

DUzy! winter is coming Aug 2013 #129

Elizabeth Warren MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #91

Idk. bravenak Aug 2013 #92

JOE BIDEN putitinD Aug 2013 #94

Liz Warren. Al Franken. Martin O'Malley. Anyone seen Brian Schweitzer lately? Gavin Newsom. Al Gore. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #101

He certainly has the money to run OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #106

I'd like to see Gore and/or Dean run. I could easily vote for either of those. I don't think Nay Aug 2013 #115

Hillary's Game... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #107

There are almost 1,100 days left until the election, this discussion can wait a year or so. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #109

GMA was discussing whether Hillary is running this morning. OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #135

You're welcome to wait...the candidatess won't be brooklynite Aug 2013 #152

No Turd Way candidates for me. 99Forever Aug 2013 #110

Who? Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #112

I see this question all the time. LWolf Aug 2013 #114

Howard Dean screams for me. nt wtmusic Aug 2013 #125

I'd love to see maggie Hassan make a run for it myself. Amimnoch Aug 2013 #130

Someone who really wants the job, with a progressive platform? Orsino Aug 2013 #140

Errrr.... Spirochete Aug 2013 #141

I don't think we can nominate "Somebody Else" OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #143

I know. i don't really have my list Spirochete Aug 2013 #145

Not that she's ever even remotely shown interest but, I could see voting for Patty Murray... opiate69 Aug 2013 #144

Elizabeth Warren n/t nebenaube Aug 2013 #154

This place reminds me a lot of Free Republic, lots of angst over their "moderate" candidates. Beacool Aug 2013 #157

there are just as many Hillary supporters starting threads about her running. They are just liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #159

I'm hoping that she runs, but I have no clue whether she will or not. Beacool Aug 2013 #161