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118. I have no problem that "fall somewhere in between". I do have a problem with those here

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Below are the arguments of those that support the NSA over Snowden's revelations*. [View all] rhett o rick Aug 2013 OP

About The Pole Dancer otohara Aug 2013 #1

Umm.... "for weeks" kind of makes the point it did occur. nt Pholus Aug 2013 #3

"Did" otohara Aug 2013 #6

Seems to me this is a historical list of arguments. Pholus Aug 2013 #7

then why did they post about it for weeks. the list is not just about current talking points, it's HiPointDem Aug 2013 #8

He dumped her!??! Hissyspit Aug 2013 #10

And she was a ballerina!!!!!11!! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #32

Is this talking point permanently retired or on the bench? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #14

I'd Say So otohara Aug 2013 #105

FFS... you don't have your "don't give a shit" timeline in order... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #15

Lol, they cared, until it failed totally as a 'strategy'. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49

the Demopublicans like to use Talking Points just like the Republicans... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #2

Extra bonus points for those who can ID the author of this: bvar22 Aug 2013 #43

Goebbels. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2013 #57

Classic Nazi propaganda technique: the Big Lie. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #67

Close, but no cigar. bvar22 Aug 2013 #71

Darn... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #74

Info on the internetz is like Schrodinger's cat. It's true until you read it. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #129

Bernays? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #93

I guess they fell heir to Bush's old Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #53

But Obama says there's no spying on Americans leftstreet Aug 2013 #4

good job. but you forgot the latest: by defecting to russia, snowden is supporting russia's HiPointDem Aug 2013 #5

Remember it's just 1.6 % too! Depends on which 1.6% of course... Pholus Aug 2013 #9

good point here - sweet graph too. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #48

now I am totally confused (but what else is new?) hfojvt Aug 2013 #11

Why is it even about Snowden? The "Snowden Haters" made it that way. Pholus Aug 2013 #13

Snowden haters gotta Snowden hate... Pholus... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #16

Aaaargh! You got me! Pholus Aug 2013 #21

It's a self-perpetuating strategy. Maedhros Aug 2013 #87

well, look at it this way hfojvt Aug 2013 #23

One person's shiny object is probably important to another person. Pholus Aug 2013 #31

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^BRAVO! ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bvar22 Aug 2013 #45

we were not all on the same page in 2006 hfojvt Aug 2013 #65

Some thoughts on your points. Pholus Aug 2013 #83

I NEVER just talk about the President hfojvt Aug 2013 #85

and as to point 4 hfojvt Aug 2013 #89

Act like a Republican, get treated like a Republican. Pholus Aug 2013 #115

All Democrats are not equal. Some Democrats support the Constitution while rhett o rick Aug 2013 #123

and some Democrats support progressive taxes hfojvt Aug 2013 #133

"Promoting our side" is great, as long as "our side" is doing the right things. Maedhros Aug 2013 #91

in spite of that long list though hfojvt Aug 2013 #98

Well, that's where we part ways. Maedhros Aug 2013 #103

uh huh hfojvt Aug 2013 #117

It's Snowden lovers vs. Snowden haters (pick a side bro). limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #54

Here is another example of the authoritarians response to this RetroLounge Aug 2013 #125

the OP is almost 100% snark hfojvt Aug 2013 #126

Willfully ignorant? RetroLounge Aug 2013 #141

AWESOME, all in one handy spot! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #12

Do you have a response to #5? That's basically my argument (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #30

Try this thread: MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #34

there is no spying and Snowden has boxes in his garage Doctor_J Aug 2013 #17

One ProSense Aug 2013 #18

Two. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #26

It's like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #35

"I forgot what the second thing is." ProSense Aug 2013 #50

so Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #68

So you are saying... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #59

Excellent! MuseRider Aug 2013 #19

There's just one problem. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #20

It's worse than saying there is no spying, they DEFEND it because 'it's old news'. Until it's not sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #51

The problem is, Sabrina, I haven't seen too many people defending NSA excesses, either. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #111

There have been some that claim that we need the NSA spy programs to be safe from the terrorists. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #122

+1 Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #128

The OP "likes" Snowden? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #88

The argument used is that collection of metadata isn't spying, Maedhros Aug 2013 #92

Stop With Your Straw Man Crush On Snowden HangOnKids Aug 2013 #100

Talk about strawmen, "I get that you like Snowden." Nowhere did I say that? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #132

Yes, I won't argue against more oversight, not at all. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #139

There appears to be enough evidence to warrant an investigation irregardless of what Snowden's rhett o rick Aug 2013 #140

Well that does it! another_liberal Aug 2013 #22

Excellent! Hilarious! Thank you! JackRiddler Aug 2013 #24

You forgot *my* argument: He ran. n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #25

In light of Bradley Manning, I'd run too. Harriet Tubman "ran" also riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #42

And there's no spying, which is why the DEA has apparently been concocting fake evidence trails Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #27

Don't forget that Brad Pitt is better than Matt Damon. rug Aug 2013 #28

#5 is roughly my argument. Do you have a response to it? Recursion Aug 2013 #29

I've got a couple, just to be quick. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #56

Snowden's intent was to transit through Russia and take asylum in Maedhros Aug 2013 #94

Was that meant to be to another post? Recursion Aug 2013 #96

In your first post, you referred to "response #5" as your argument, Maedhros Aug 2013 #99

It's a joke argument. The NSA tells you they are not being bad and you buy it. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #120

No, that's a separate question Recursion Aug 2013 #121

You are using a real broad brush there davidpdx Aug 2013 #33

I'm not a Snowden groupie, and I support Obama. And I'm profoundly concerned about the NSA spying Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #37

Did you ever stop and think that Prism is way more discussion worthy than how one feels about.... marble falls Aug 2013 #36

I absolutely agree that we need to keep our eye on the NSA/Booz-Allen spy programs. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #73

I don't think he faced any sort of mysterious death, do you? And sometimes someone has to take.... marble falls Aug 2013 #112

I dont think the court room would have exposed anything. It's all secret. What did rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

His trial was public and hid nothing and the press exposed and ended the torture. marble falls Aug 2013 #116

What did we learn? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #119

gee maybe I should reconsider my opposition to domestic spying........ nah, nevermind bowens43 Aug 2013 #38

Did you get the part where the NSA is 60 years old and that 5 repug and Democratic Administrations.. Tikki Aug 2013 #39

He didn't swear to protect us. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #66

The Constitution of the United States of America... Tikki Aug 2013 #70

"holds justice in high esteem": Fact not in evidence. Maedhros Aug 2013 #97

Pursued and eliminated ben laden... Tikki Aug 2013 #108

Justice would have been to capture Bin Laden Maedhros Aug 2013 #109

The fact that the NSA is "nothing new" doesn't make it right. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #101

I am guessing your point about the age of the NSA is that an agency that old rhett o rick Aug 2013 #124

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #40

LOL !!! - Perfect !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #41

Doesn't The Very Term "Secret" Lose much of its meaning when 850,000 people have "top Secret" BlueManFan Aug 2013 #44

Locking... SidDithers Aug 2013 #46

Unlocking... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #62

Statistics and Information In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #134

Was usGovOwesUs3Trillion a host? Raine1967 Aug 2013 #136

No ... usGovOwesUs3Trillion ... was not a Host. In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #137

Thanks. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #138

du rec. Good round up. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #47

K&R! The propaganda-bots have destroyed their own credibility. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #52

You nailed it, rhett o rick. woo me with science Aug 2013 #55

Thanks for this ProSense Aug 2013 #58

Was the edit a condition of unlocking the thread? hootinholler Aug 2013 #60

No. When this got blown out of proportion I realized that I was in part to blame rhett o rick Aug 2013 #75

Not only does it detract, but it kind of kills the thread. hootinholler Aug 2013 #81

The lock was not editorial... SidDithers Aug 2013 #77

As I said, Without insight into the hosts discussion it appears editorial. hootinholler Aug 2013 #82

Skinner could see no reason to lock the thread, ergo it was unlocked Rex Aug 2013 #130

It doesn't work that way. hootinholler Aug 2013 #131

The admins can and have unlocked threads in the past. Rex Aug 2013 #135

Don't forget about the suspicious boxes in his garage!! reformist2 Aug 2013 #61

Well, I am not sure they dont have something with that one. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #79

Handy talking point round-up.nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #63

K&R usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #64

i'm going to rec this and Pole Dance while i do it. nt xchrom Aug 2013 #69

lol! quinnox Aug 2013 #78

For the record, I have nothing against pole dancers. Some of my best friends are pole rhett o rick Aug 2013 #80

Thanks. Pls also consider: Civil disobedience is not legitimate unless someone agrees to be arrested AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #72

Add to the list: Sen Franken says it's OK AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #76

Brilliant! Thank you. K&R. n/t truth2power Aug 2013 #84

You should really consider . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #86

k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #90

excellent list stupidicus Aug 2013 #95

I think a lot of people fall somewhere in between Just Saying Aug 2013 #102

I have no problem that "fall somewhere in between". I do have a problem with those here rhett o rick Aug 2013 #118

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #104

You have a pretty low opinion of John Lewis michigandem58 Aug 2013 #106

K&R n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #107

K&R Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #110

cool list n/t SergeyDovlatov Aug 2013 #113

Well done and very funny! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #127