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In reply to the discussion: 'Obama putting Clapper In Charge Of NSA Commission That Reports Back To Clapper-Big FU America' [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)107. Go ask those who founded our Democracy.
Most of them didn't believe in the common Christian concept of god as a benevolent but vengeful Santa Clause sitting on a golden cloud either.
And that isn't the point anyway.
You CAN be an atheist and still believe that Basic Human Rights
exist outside of and beyond the Government, and are bestowed by our creator, even if that creator is only nature doing its thing.
I do.
I also believe the following to be Basic Human Rights,
as did FDR:
"We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men.[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be [font size=3]established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."
FDR, SOTU, 1944
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be [font size=3]established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."
FDR, SOTU, 1944
The reason I joined the Democratic party in 1965 was because, like FDR, I believed that these are basic Human Rights.
There was a time, not so long ago, when voting FOR the Democratic party
was voting FOR these rights.
Sadly, this is no longer True,
and we get farther away from those rights every day.
Whatever one chooses to believe in, whether or not it is framed as a grandfather sitting on a Golden Throne doesn't change the "inalienability"
of these RIGHTS.
It just so happens that OUR country (I assume you are a citizen of the USA)
was ESTABLISHED on the concept that these RIGHTS are above and beyond mere governments.
Most of the founders did not believe in Santa Clause either.
That doesn't change the principles of our Democracy.
Have you read what our founders had to say about a government that attempts to rescind or abridge these "inalienable" rights?
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'Obama putting Clapper In Charge Of NSA Commission That Reports Back To Clapper-Big FU America' [View all]
kpete
Aug 2013
OP
Exactly, until the rule of law is restored, criminals will continue to be 'elder statesmen' and
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#60
Is Obama seriously doing this? He is really putting Clapper in charge of forming an NSA committee?
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#10
Like what is too sensitive for public knowledge? What does the nsa do that you shouldn't know about?
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2013
#27
A high level clearance did not have to be Clapper. It is a surreal choice. nt
Mojorabbit
Aug 2013
#34
Sorry, the people in government are not special. Not especially smart or disciplined or moral.
bemildred
Aug 2013
#70
Thank you. The question isn't whether we have "something to hide" or not, the question is
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#99
The threat is authoritarianism and its attendant systematic falsification of history,
Civilization2
Aug 2013
#108
lol... yea, thanks Obama... knew we could count on you. And the hits just keep on coming. n/t
1awake
Aug 2013
#13
The NSA head has more cover than the president. Really, who is running the country?
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2013
#31
So, President Obama's sense of humor extends to mocking those who value the 4th Amendment.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#29
Let's see, when Snowden was in charge at NSA he stole files and gave the information to
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#30
What has that got to do with getting the Fox, James Clapper, to investigate
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#66
The same back to you on blindness, if it is okay to you Snowden lied and stole rhen it should be
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#69
That's not the same thing at all. Snowden was not appointed by the administration to investigate
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#82
Well at least we have established Snowden was not appointed by the admistration to investigate
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#100
Clapper has much more integrity than Snowden could ever gain in this life, Clapper has worked in
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#103
Yes there is wrong doing here, Snowden was working under a code of ethics, he violated
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#71
Are you attacking the character of Clapper? If you are, then get this I am attacking Snowden, one
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#91
Who in the American media would he give the info to? The big networks would never buck their MIC
Erose999
Aug 2013
#81
Ok so let's say that we agree that we cant trust Snowden. What does that have to do with
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#86
Glad you can agree you can't trust Snowden, I was pointing out this group who runs behind Snowden
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#96
"Clapper has much more integrity than Snowden will ever have." And you know that how?
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#102
Are you on a merry-go-round? You accuse me and then repeat the same for yourself. Talk about
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#105
yeah that's why I posted that press release in full 8 minutes before you posted the link
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#45
And the point has changed from "prevent abuse" to "stop disclosure"
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#62
But 'stop abuse' has disappeared, so I'm not optimistic about that being balanced with anything (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#75
It's a chess thing. You don't get it. We don't get it. Only a select group do.
Safetykitten
Aug 2013
#58
Gosh, and then we get to have Hillary be President..she will make it allll
Katashi_itto
Aug 2013
#59
Guess we have the newest version of old tech, the Clapper! Clap on Clap off.....
Rebellious Republican
Aug 2013
#89
It should be clear that Pres Obama has no control over Gen Clapper. Clapper is calling the shots.nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#106