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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
107. Go ask those who founded our Democracy.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
Aug 2013

Most of them didn't believe in the common Christian concept of god as a benevolent but vengeful Santa Clause sitting on a golden cloud either.
And that isn't the point anyway.

You CAN be an atheist and still believe that Basic Human Rights
exist outside of and beyond the Government, and are bestowed by our creator, even if that creator is only nature doing its thing.
I do.

I also believe the following to be Basic Human Rights,
as did FDR:

"We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be [font size=3]established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens."
FDR, SOTU, 1944


The reason I joined the Democratic party in 1965 was because, like FDR, I believed that these are basic Human Rights.
There was a time, not so long ago, when voting FOR the Democratic party
was voting FOR these rights.
Sadly, this is no longer True,
and we get farther away from those rights every day.

Whatever one chooses to believe in, whether or not it is framed as a grandfather sitting on a Golden Throne doesn't change the "inalienability"
of these RIGHTS.

It just so happens that OUR country (I assume you are a citizen of the USA)
was ESTABLISHED on the concept that these RIGHTS are above and beyond mere governments.
Most of the founders did not believe in Santa Clause either.
That doesn't change the principles of our Democracy.

Have you read what our founders had to say about a government that attempts to rescind or abridge these "inalienable" rights?


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LOL Shortest ObamaHoneyMoon on DU ever! leftstreet Aug 2013 #1
Gee I wonder why. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #17
Because we are living in the infancy of some kind of weird futuristic movie. mick063 Aug 2013 #25
I'm brushing up my knowledge of Roman history. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #94
Yeah, that'll fix things right up. Oh, yeah it will. RC Aug 2013 #2
The large print giveth, the small print taketh away Fumesucker Aug 2013 #3
Bookmarked, thank you for posting. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #4
Like the Fox in charge of the investigation into the death of the chicken burnodo Aug 2013 #5
Told you so. NSA private interests will not go away, unless Amonester Aug 2013 #6
That alone won't do it. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #36
Exactly, until the rule of law is restored, criminals will continue to be 'elder statesmen' and sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7
Jesus. Vanje Aug 2013 #8
Cool Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #9
It's really not Obama's fault. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #83
Is Obama seriously doing this? He is really putting Clapper in charge of forming an NSA committee? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #10
K&R. Clapper joins the exalted ranks of Simpson/Bowles. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #11
Whoever it is will have to have top secret security clearance. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #12
Really? Where does it say that in the Constitution? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #18
Not really. Some things are too sensitive for public knowledge. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #19
"too embarrassing for public knowledge" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #26
+ a million truebluegreen Aug 2013 #56
Like what is too sensitive for public knowledge? What does the nsa do that you shouldn't know about? Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #27
A high level clearance did not have to be Clapper. It is a surreal choice. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #34
Sorry, the people in government are not special. Not especially smart or disciplined or moral. bemildred Aug 2013 #70
Thank you. The question isn't whether we have "something to hide" or not, the question is JDPriestly Aug 2013 #99
The threat is authoritarianism and its attendant systematic falsification of history, Civilization2 Aug 2013 #108
Seems to be what we did in regard to Wall Street malfeasance. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #53
That's a really lame excuse for this outrage. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Marrah_G Aug 2013 #76
just FYI synapticwave Aug 2013 #80
thanks Marrah_G Aug 2013 #88
lol... yea, thanks Obama... knew we could count on you. And the hits just keep on coming. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #13
It's called having the goods on someone. another_liberal Aug 2013 #14
Next up...Larry Summers IDemo Aug 2013 #15
Impeach Bill Clinton for telling falsehoods to Congress, yet mick063 Aug 2013 #16
The NSA head has more cover than the president. Really, who is running the country? Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #31
The MIC's been in charge a lot longer than any president. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #41
Is this the Onion? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #20
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #21
Who (besides the pom pom pumpers, of course) didn't see this coming? forestpath Aug 2013 #22
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
that report has already been finalized.. frylock Aug 2013 #24
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #28
So, President Obama's sense of humor extends to mocking those who value the 4th Amendment. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #29
Let's see, when Snowden was in charge at NSA he stole files and gave the information to Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #30
Whistleblowers tend to give their information to media sources usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #32
Weak. Vanje Aug 2013 #33
What has that got to do with getting the Fox, James Clapper, to investigate totodeinhere Aug 2013 #66
The same back to you on blindness, if it is okay to you Snowden lied and stole rhen it should be Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #69
That's not the same thing at all. Snowden was not appointed by the administration to investigate totodeinhere Aug 2013 #82
Well at least we have established Snowden was not appointed by the admistration to investigate Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #100
Why do you keep coming back to Snowden. This is not about him. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #101
Clapper has much more integrity than Snowden could ever gain in this life, Clapper has worked in Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #103
You have it exactly backwards. bvar22 Aug 2013 #67
Yes there is wrong doing here, Snowden was working under a code of ethics, he violated Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #71
Good luck with that. nt GoneFishin Aug 2013 #73
There is a CODE that supercedes anything Snowden signed. bvar22 Aug 2013 #74
Are you trying to say our creator has written laws, constitution, etc? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #90
I'm not "trying" to say anything. bvar22 Aug 2013 #93
Who are you referring to in "creator"? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #98
Go ask those who founded our Democracy. bvar22 Aug 2013 #107
This OP is about Gen Clapper. The man that lied under oath to Congress. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #87
Are you attacking the character of Clapper? If you are, then get this I am attacking Snowden, one Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #91
Who in the American media would he give the info to? The big networks would never buck their MIC Erose999 Aug 2013 #81
Ok so let's say that we agree that we cant trust Snowden. What does that have to do with rhett o rick Aug 2013 #86
Glad you can agree you can't trust Snowden, I was pointing out this group who runs behind Snowden Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #96
"Clapper has much more integrity than Snowden will ever have." And you know that how? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #102
Are you on a merry-go-round? You accuse me and then repeat the same for yourself. Talk about Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #105
At least it's not all in the hands of John Roberts anymore. n/t Ian David Aug 2013 #35
Ohhh relief mick063 Aug 2013 #37
Does Clapper have Crazy Jesus Eyes? Ian David Aug 2013 #38
Put up a pic of Clapper. mick063 Aug 2013 #39
He looks like that guy Mike from Breaking Bad.... Ian David Aug 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #40
well - okay - I did find this White House Press Release Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #43
You didn't look very hard.... ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #44
yeah that's why I posted that press release in full 8 minutes before you posted the link Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #45
Funny.... ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #46
Would that be a circle-jerk, then? Because it seems rather circular...nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #42
Assigning, appointing, or nominating SamKnause Aug 2013 #47
at least he'll have a phone... MisterP Aug 2013 #48
Even the Washington Post is calling BS at this point. pa28 Aug 2013 #49
UNBELIEVABLE. Th1onein Aug 2013 #50
Oh FFS! I guess it's not unexpected. Pholus Aug 2013 #51
Help me out here Recursion Aug 2013 #52
It's as impartial as Dick Cheney's Veep selection deliberations. Pholus Aug 2013 #54
And the point has changed from "prevent abuse" to "stop disclosure" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #62
Both are important concerns Recursion Aug 2013 #63
But 'stop abuse' has disappeared, so I'm not optimistic about that being balanced with anything (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #75
I figured as much. Rex Aug 2013 #78
K & R historylovr Aug 2013 #57
It's a chess thing. You don't get it. We don't get it. Only a select group do. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #58
Gosh, and then we get to have Hillary be President..she will make it allll Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #59
A totally disgusted kick. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #61
It's like having Bernie Madoff overseeing regulations on Wall Street. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #64
Crapper! His nick name in school and now too ...and very fitting. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #68
Awesome FlyByNight Aug 2013 #72
Stuff like this is why so many of us are fed up with this administration Marrah_G Aug 2013 #77
I'm sure he'll give us the least untruthful oversight possible deutsey Aug 2013 #79
Only if he is caught give us the big lie. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #84
It shows they could care less what we think. Rex Aug 2013 #85
Guess we have the newest version of old tech, the Clapper! Clap on Clap off..... Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #89
That's pretty much saying "kiss my ass" to all of us. CanonRay Aug 2013 #92
Why such surprise? This has been an Obama tradition since elected. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #95
It should be clear that Pres Obama has no control over Gen Clapper. Clapper is calling the shots.nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #106
Clapper is the only man I will trust Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #97
You and the life long Republicans. Republicans love Clapper. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #104
Good to see you finally kicked off! morningfog Aug 2013 #109
and I thought a clapper was a device to turn your lights on and off. . B Calm Aug 2013 #110
In this case he's a device to turn the lights out. nt GliderGuider Aug 2013 #112
Obama is a American politician. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #111
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