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TiberiusB

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90. Clinton worship is ridiculous and undeserved

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:44 PM

Aug 2013

Clinton brought us welfare "reform", NAFTA, the Commodities and Futures Modernization act (aka "the death of Glass-Steagall&quot and more center-right garbage than I can shake a stick at. It's widely accepted that he planned to "modernize" Social Security as well. The sanctions he imposed on Iraq resulted in the deaths of an estimated 500,000 children. Yes, Saddam could have come to his people's aid, but expecting him to and sitting back and letting thousands die when he didn't was simply cruel. Clinton was definitely an improvement over Bush and Reagan, but he was hardly a liberal democrat on far too many issues. As for the Nader nonsense, please let that old horse die. Nader did not lose the election for Gore. It should never have been that close in the first place, and how is it that everyone is so sure that every vote for Nader was simply guaranteed to come at Gore's expense? A few likely came from Bush and more were probably not planning to vote for either.

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If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... [View all] Scuba Aug 2013 OP

K&R (love your graphic) MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1

Another DU member gave me permission to use it. Scuba Aug 2013 #2

I am going to steal the graphic tiredtoo Aug 2013 #119

Be my guest. Scuba Aug 2013 #125

K&R I don't believe that is their desire. Maintaining power over the process is far more Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #3

so why will you be supporting them? arely staircase Aug 2013 #82

That is Crow73 Aug 2013 #113

Cut defense and raise taxes on the wealthiest, closing biggest corporate tax loopholes Triana Aug 2013 #4

The last time the Democratic Party had 'full employment' as an official HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #46

Well there's a surprise... Triana Aug 2013 #60

How much of the 60% that do vote would support these measures? el_bryanto Aug 2013 #5

Yep, we might lose one for every 10 we gain. Scuba Aug 2013 #6

Oh noes!! But Then we would not be a big tent if we lost that one person!!! AllyCat Aug 2013 #43

Most people will support every plank in this platform!!!! LongTomH Aug 2013 #118

Advocating for a living wage and strengthening Social Security would be paid for by the rich. Dawgs Aug 2013 #7

If you want to attract votes from the 40% who typically don't, you need to offer them something. Scuba Aug 2013 #8

Minimum wage, SS, and legalizing weed is "something", no? Dawgs Aug 2013 #11

For some, yes. For those with no, or expensive, health insurance, no. Scuba Aug 2013 #12

My philosophy has always been to keep the message simple. Dawgs Aug 2013 #33

"Medicare for All" is both simple and popular. Scuba Aug 2013 #37

I didn't say it wasn't simple and popular. I just don't think this is the time for this fight. Dawgs Aug 2013 #62

WHY can single payer "wait for another day?" DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #52

Please don't respond if you're going to ignore everything else in my post. Dawgs Aug 2013 #59

Legalising weed down the food chain DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #69

Sorry, but it doesn't appear that you did read my other points. Dawgs Aug 2013 #71

But if the voters "turn out" DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #73

And what's wrong with that? There are so many great reasons to do it. Dawgs Aug 2013 #76

I don't deny that DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #77

Three of the four states that have pending pot legislation are in the Midwest. Dawgs Aug 2013 #84

there are a LOT of people who are directly affected by marijuana criminalization noiretextatique Aug 2013 #95

+1 nxylas Aug 2013 #131

And there is no reason it HAS to be a "zero-sum choice!" N/T DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #135

Tell that to the OP nxylas Aug 2013 #138

I tried doing that DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #140

Electoral and media reform are also important nxylas Aug 2013 #141

Junk the Electoral College! DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #146

It shouldn't be a zero-sum choice. That is one of the things wrong with the way things are done liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #142

You might be surprised ... Scuba Aug 2013 #136

But why does it have to be either/or NT DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #137

Slash the military and propose medicare for all......nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #88

Will motivate no one to vote..... n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #92

You know what motivates me not to vote nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #102

+10 RC Aug 2013 #108

How now Crow73 Aug 2013 #114

and cut back all the NSA spying. Garion_55 Aug 2013 #9

Win what? Stuckinthebush Aug 2013 #10

Not trying to win votes from the crazed right wing. Scuba Aug 2013 #14

For the most part the crazed right wing already votes Fumesucker Aug 2013 #16

All it takes is a little fact, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #13

Welcome to DU! AllyCat Aug 2013 #45

Thank you for the welcome. Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #64

If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... Coyotl Aug 2013 #15

Good grief. My "unrealistic political perspective" is supported by a host of polling data. Scuba Aug 2013 #17

I'd love to hear the answer to that one as well. Marr Aug 2013 #61

Agreed,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #19

"Those that don't vote now will not vote no matter what." Scuba Aug 2013 #21

If you can look Cryptoad Aug 2013 #25

And those 40% don't see the Democrats as any different. Let's offer them a difference. Scuba Aug 2013 #27

All those things you listed Cryptoad Aug 2013 #56

No one is advocating holding their breath or stomping their feet. Scuba Aug 2013 #63

The reason people see the Democratic party as no different than the Republicans are the RC Aug 2013 #111

I agree with Scuba on this...people I know who don't vote see no difference AllyCat Aug 2013 #50

That sounds like Cryptoad Aug 2013 #57

Sounds like a step back to the Old Working Class Democratic party to me, bvar22 Aug 2013 #65

"Not the Republican" is a losing strategy. Scuba Aug 2013 #86

great post bvar22. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #143

Personally, I think the graphic is the most realistic I've seen mountain grammy Aug 2013 #23

I dont think we are talking about Democrats winning in 2014, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #31

Democrats haven't been DEMOCRATS for a long time DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #55

Bill Clinton was and is a badass arely staircase Aug 2013 #85

Clinton worship is ridiculous and undeserved TiberiusB Aug 2013 #90

I don't want a "badass" for President. Maedhros Aug 2013 #97

that was clinton arely staircase Aug 2013 #99

Clinton signed DOMA, NAFTA, Welfare "Reform" into law. Maedhros Aug 2013 #105

Nope Crow73 Aug 2013 #115

I'm concerned the the real Democrats win in 2014, not the redefined, would-be, imagined Democrats Coyotl Aug 2013 #91

Well that assumes progressives won't vote for a soft, weak, New Democrat Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #107

That sounds like the Reince Priebus strategy JBoy Aug 2013 #48

Wow, you got him good. I guess when you got nothing you attack the poster. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #116

IF they want is the key words. zeemike Aug 2013 #18

I'd like to advocate for a functioning government uponit7771 Aug 2013 #20

You'd think it should be low hanging fruit corkhead Aug 2013 #22

Yes, this strategy will fit every single district JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #24

What percentage of eligible voters didn't bother in these districts? Scuba Aug 2013 #28

I am very surprised JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #93

Maybe and yes... Scuba Aug 2013 #94

I concur with many of your points JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #109

We're in agreement. I never meant to suggest one-size-fits-all. Scuba Aug 2013 #110

I think we need a new message. "If the left wants to win." PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #26

Agree and add another item JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #29

Agreed, thanks. Scuba Aug 2013 #30

At this point, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #32

Did you even look at the 2012 results? malthaussen Aug 2013 #34

No not at all, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #35

It's hard for me to understand, too. malthaussen Aug 2013 #36

That right there is a much better way of saying what I was trying to say. Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #47

Women should utilize the power of the lock on "the bedroom door", so to speak Divernan Aug 2013 #38

The problem is JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #66

I should have been clearer - I'm talking about women Divernan Aug 2013 #67

In that case JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #68

More than 2/3rds of Americans are in favor of most of those MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #39

When I saw your headline I immediately thought cate94 Aug 2013 #40

Sorry. I don't care anymore what they SAY they want. Obama broke me of any hope in believing loudsue Aug 2013 #41

Nice graphic, but... JEB Aug 2013 #42

Plus, accuracy might be improved by moving the Donkey a bit farther right. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #49

yup. AllyCat Aug 2013 #51

I was think about turning the donkey around, to face right. RC Aug 2013 #112

"If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #44

Kind of destorys the "Obama is a Republican" meme. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #80

Same with Clinton. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #104

You just convinced me Harry Truman must have been wrong with that quote. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #128

The Democratic Party has got to take a look at itself DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #53

Add in: no surveillance state, no TPP, and student debt relief. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #54

That is one depressing graphic! Suggests there may exist a huge opening for Bernie HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #58

I think you're making the mistake of thinking everyone else wants what you want. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #70

Not everyone, but a whole lot of those 40% do, and none of them want more tax cuts for billionaires. Scuba Aug 2013 #72

Depends how you phrase the question, I suspect. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #74

I agree on most of those, EXCEPT Bake Aug 2013 #75

Tell that to CO and WA. It worked for them. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #78

You might lose a few votes for supporting legalization.... Scuba Aug 2013 #79

Show me data to support that assertion Bake Aug 2013 #81

... Scuba Aug 2013 #83

Ron Paul's support of liberalizing weed laws Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

there are 20 states with legal medical marijuana status. More pending. Two states mine being liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #144

K&R. That platform would be very popular with the people. nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #87

K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #96

What are you smoking? That would be against the real bosses nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #98

Do 100% vote in Vermont when Bernie runs, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100

Yep - that's what Dems would do if they weren't... polichick Aug 2013 #101

Sure, that'll work for Democrats in left-leaning states. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #103

I like your graphic. RC Aug 2013 #106

I have a better idea Bernie..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #117

campaign finance reform. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #120

and... they better stop attacking public education Agony Aug 2013 #121

The attack on public education is a sleeping giant. Many democrats think they can just liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #124

Can't argue with a single word of your great post. 99Forever Aug 2013 #122

Agree with these suggestions tiredtoo Aug 2013 #123

I cant see the DEmocratic Party doing good in 2014. First of all rhett o rick Aug 2013 #126

Well, I have been saying this since right after the 2010 debacle Doctor_J Aug 2013 #127

Should but won't. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #129

I think a legalizing weed position is a winning one for Dems steve2470 Aug 2013 #130

Actually there are many die hard conservatives - and older folks - who will support .... Scuba Aug 2013 #134

hell I know republicans who smoke it. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #145

That sounds super! Wonder if Hillary will campaign that way? silvershadow Aug 2013 #132

"If they want..." Riiight. DC DEMS like their politics "right of center." blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #133

But, their idea of strengthening social security worries me! B Calm Aug 2013 #139

Putting the cart before the horse. gulliver Aug 2013 #147