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116. I imagine it fundamentally boils down to whether one believes...

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Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

Feb 2012

I imagine it fundamentally boils down to whether one believes family is more important, or if imaginary, red and blue lines on a map are more important.

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Should illegal immigrants ever be separated from their US citizen children? [View all] Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 OP

the separations should be reduced Enrique Feb 2012 #1

Based on what criteria? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #5

On the fact that it's psychologically traumatic for both parents and children? nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #157

Deportation happens to thousands of parents, every year. The "anchor baby" is a RW myth. leveymg Feb 2012 #2

The question is "should" they. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #4

If you ask the families, the answer is obvious. leveymg Feb 2012 #10

Yes, our system is a mess. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #12

The range of options heard on this issue extends from the center-right to the far-right. leveymg Feb 2012 #15

Yes. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3

We generally don't imprison people for jaywalking Scootaloo Feb 2012 #9

We generally do not deport then for jaywalking either. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #13

Deportation isn't a punishment. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #20

"Deportation isn't a punishment." ON WHAT PLANET? aquart Feb 2012 #129

If you kick me out of your living room, it's not punishment for being naughty. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #141

It damn well is a punishment for being "naughty." aquart Feb 2012 #144

That's kinda where I'm at. renie408 Feb 2012 #22

The biggest problem Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #100

Actually there are two conjoined problems Scootaloo Feb 2012 #112

This is the single best (and most depressing) thread I've read on this topic here. BlueIris Feb 2012 #136

It's simply a matter of supply and demand Major Nikon Feb 2012 #120

Kinda hard to raise a family on 9 bucks an hour cash no benefits or taxes. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2012 #126

When ICE picks you up, they generally don't take you home to pack EFerrari Feb 2012 #18

It is a false issue. former9thward Feb 2012 #6

What if the child is older? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #8

If they are not deported then what would be done with them? former9thward Feb 2012 #11

Yes. Put them in the "already overburdened foster child program". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #26

Hope you are not a parent if you think that is the answer. former9thward Feb 2012 #70

I am a parent and I think that is the answer. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #94

I'm sorry but that is inaccurate. The Obama policy EFerrari Feb 2012 #138

The system is imperfect lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #142

The system is much worse than imperfect. EFerrari Feb 2012 #143

Thousands of Kids Lost From Parents In U.S. Deportation System EFerrari Feb 2012 #24

Your link is almost all about detention not deportation. former9thward Feb 2012 #71

There is a link to the whole report at the link I provided. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #73

If the children get away ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #7

Absolutely not. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #14

Why? renie408 Feb 2012 #17

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #23

Sounds like the Tea Party platform. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #36

No, actually I am far from the Tea Party as you can get. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #40

And in addition to Mexicans, C. Americans, S. Americans time for me to fly Feb 2012 #25

And you know this....how? renie408 Feb 2012 #31

I have lived in a community that became heavily Mexican time for me to fly Feb 2012 #33

"Heavily Mexican"...Oh. Now I get it. renie408 Feb 2012 #38

I read it as "Heavenly Mexican" Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #103

If they are born here, THIS is their 'homeland'. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #72

No. They should not be separated. renie408 Feb 2012 #16

No, and it used to not happen until the immigrants in question Cleita Feb 2012 #19

Puleeze. Even with the "brown" people time for me to fly Feb 2012 #28

And what is the 'massive issue' again? renie408 Feb 2012 #32

I am talking about where I live, which welcomes undocumented people. time for me to fly Feb 2012 #35

... renie408 Feb 2012 #39

Mexican immigration is at a 60 year low. EFerrari Feb 2012 #54

Perhaps lack of food and opportunity make these people risk all. Cleita Feb 2012 #43

That's an anedote though. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #30

Yes, it's an anecdote, however, I challenge you to Cleita Feb 2012 #42

I believe manner of entry has a lot to do with it. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #44

In the larger cities it's harder for the authorities to crack down. Cleita Feb 2012 #47

Illegal workers of all stripes should definitely be the focus. nt. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #49

Or, since the workers are actually needed, we need new laws Cleita Feb 2012 #53

Same as H1B workers. A needed resource. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #56

I guess you're being sarcastic. Cleita Feb 2012 #91

Who wants to do IT? Better to let hard workers from India do it. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #92

We both know that isn't what I'm talking about. Cleita Feb 2012 #95

So it's wrong for brown people to do white-collar jobs, because they are meant to Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #96

Is it? You are the one going there so please explain your Cleita Feb 2012 #98

You said: Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #99

Boy the straw men keep coming. Cleita Feb 2012 #101

Sounded like code to me. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #102

Yes, that's why it shouldn't be illegal. Cleita Feb 2012 #104

No civilized country in the world has open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #106

Allowing people who want to work for people who Cleita Feb 2012 #107

Isn't that exactly what H1B visas are? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #108

Well, I don't think IT engineers will pick vegetables frankly. Cleita Feb 2012 #109

So once again unskilled labor should just suck it up while the princes of the corporate world should Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #110

So, I was suspicious you weren't really wanting a discussion Cleita Feb 2012 #113

Very interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Feb 2012 #111

The reason for this has to do with the manner of entry - whether it's with or without inspection WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2012 #41

Actually, one of the Mexican cooks in a place I worked at used to fly in with Cleita Feb 2012 #46

The alternative is The T Don Hutto Detention Center w8liftinglady Feb 2012 #21

No. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #27

I bet if some of these people were from europe or Canada we wouldn't even be talking southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #29

Interesting question. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #34

Good point. But it would be nice if our countries who shared borders would allow workers to southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #52

The EU has essentially done that, but has fairly strict economic requirements to join. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #57

On our borders (Canada, US and Mexican borders) southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #59

Canada and the US would probably qualify. Mexico would likely have to bring up its economy. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #60

That is interesting. Lets home they can get rid of that real serious drug cartel and maybe it southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #62

You are being very offensive to my partner and other Americans! time for me to fly Feb 2012 #37

Ok, I am glad you figured out the smiley thing... renie408 Feb 2012 #48

Around here most construction workers are American born making $12-$15 Nikia Feb 2012 #154

Well first off I am married to a man that was adopted and brought here to the states legally. I southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #51

"Maybe you live in a very White area and can idealize this issue." EFerrari Feb 2012 #58

Yeah... renie408 Feb 2012 #61

Poster has been escorted out of the building. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #64

You know renie408 Feb 2012 #66

She is a repeating disruptor who has been banned literally 100's of times. cbayer Feb 2012 #67

Ahhhh...didn't realize that. renie408 Feb 2012 #69

"The way you wear your hat, the way you sip your tea --" EFerrari Feb 2012 #75

I doubt that removing the trash will result in a lack of countervailing opinions EFerrari Feb 2012 #68

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #151

you are correct....the irish are second in illegal immigration madrchsod Feb 2012 #50

Unless a policeman was around one of them they wouldn't no any better unless the person southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #55

Yep. aquart Feb 2012 #130

A little off topic, but if you want to see an incredible and heartbreaking documentary about cbayer Feb 2012 #45

Mom and child are natural born citizens HockeyMom Feb 2012 #63

That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #65

Wtf? On what basis do you suggest American citizens be deported? EFerrari Feb 2012 #74

Read post 63. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #76

And? EFerrari Feb 2012 #77

? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #78

That is very sad. I suppose the question is whether just the father should be deported. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #87

I can see how if you say it with a different tone it may mean something different. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #90

In an aquaintances case, they all decided to go to Japan Nikia Feb 2012 #155

I am repeating what I have heard people say HockeyMom Feb 2012 #156

No. Period. Full-Stop. End-Of-Story. n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #79

Should that apply to all illegal immigrants or just the one's who can have children here? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #80

All the undocumented immigrants with US citizen children. Chan790 Feb 2012 #84

So if you are sterile or unattractive then that is a disadvantage? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #89

No but it does mean families should affirmatively be kept together. EFerrari Feb 2012 #93

But you are disadvantaged if you can't have a family or can't have one quickly enough. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #97

In the sense that your relatives can't be mistreated if you don't have any, sure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #105

Why would you want to be somewhere where you and your descendants will be mistreated? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #147

No. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #81

Should that also apply to illegal immigrants without children? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #82

it should apply to both parents. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #85

Makes sense. Like H1B Visas. People just coming here to make a better life. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #88

Gosh, if I could only make a list of folks I'd like to see ejected from *my* USA. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #83

What if the ones deported aren't Mexican? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86

OK Oasis_ Feb 2012 #114

I imagine it fundamentally boils down to whether one believes... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #116

The reality is that the world is made up of borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119

Hence, the reason many people prioritize LanternWaste Feb 2012 #121

No country could survive open borders. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #122

You appear to be adding additional qualifiers to your premise. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #123

I am just responding to what you have stated. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #124

less like a musing, and more as an absolutist prognostication LanternWaste Feb 2012 #125

Nothing exists a vacuum. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #127

And yet you lock your doors at night. So there must be *some* boundary line Romulox Feb 2012 #133

Economic refugees aren't thieves, they're workers. EFerrari Feb 2012 #137

Never a good idea not to lock your doors no matter where you are. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #148

Not sticky to me. Separating parents from children is inhumane. aquart Feb 2012 #117

So there would be some incentive to being pregnant or impregnating someone Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #118

Yes, dear. aquart Feb 2012 #128

A couple of things. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #132

A couple of things. The vast majority of parents are concerned about their children. EFerrari Feb 2012 #139

It's not about priorities. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #146

And citizens who've committed crimes--no jail if they have children? Romulox Feb 2012 #131

Maybe just reduced sentences? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #134

this is such a strange discussion shireen Feb 2012 #135

They are our neighbors that we invaded with NAFTA and killed their ag sector, too. EFerrari Feb 2012 #140

There was no illegal immigration before NAFTA? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #149

NAFTA and Mexico's Agrarian Apocalypse EFerrari Feb 2012 #153

Your facts are repulsive jupiter chakra Feb 2012 #152

Thank you! This comment says it better than I could have. nomorenomore08 Feb 2012 #158

Santorum weighs in: ... tells tea party group he'd be willing to break up illegal immigrant families pampango Feb 2012 #145

Thanks. That was the thread I was referring to in the OP. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #150