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66. Both. One of the suspected RPGs was a camera, one was an RPG.Another person in the crowd had an AK47

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:50 PM

Aug 2013

The actual RPG launcher was loaded. The journalists apparently embedded themselves with some militants. I think they were brave, but I also think if you do that you understand the risks.

The other part of this puzzle is that the section of town they were in had seen very heavy fighting that day. So you have weapons that are only carried by the insurgents carried by a small group of folks in an area of town where there was heavy fighting and then the guy with the camera wields it in such a way that it appears he has an RPG launcher that he is getting ready to fire at US troops nearby.

With the facts, it doesn't appear anything like wrongdoing.

That's why junior people should follow established whistleblowing procedures and have an investigation initiated that can research the facts. What appears to be wrongdoing may not be.

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"I'm sorry that I hurt the United States" Bradley Manning apologizes in court [View all] struggle4progress Aug 2013 OP

Where on earth does he get off accusing Bradley Manning of having "hurt people" jberryhill Aug 2013 #1

Don't be fooled! This apology came from a programmable animatronic look-alike! struggle4progress Aug 2013 #21

Area 51 is a myth. Figleafs are falling off statues in sympathy to reveal illicit peni. freshwest Aug 2013 #41

It is getting on in the year jberryhill Aug 2013 #80

Oh, I love Nat King Cole. Thanks! freshwest Aug 2013 #84

Wait until Cha Aug 2013 #38

Uh oh. bravenak Aug 2013 #2

...said the convict who endured psychological torture at the hands of our military derby378 Aug 2013 #3

Then why hasn't his lawyer claimed he was tortured? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #17

Why dont you just come out and tell us your point in lieu of making us guess with rhett o rick Aug 2013 #55

Oops! Didn't realize we were chatting too fast for you. Sorry. Here's a quick explanation, to help struggle4progress Aug 2013 #101

My question, which you failed to address was "Why dont you tell us your point?" rhett o rick Aug 2013 #141

Because the court is part of the institution that tortured him. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #72

It sounds like a strong young man to me. DevonRex Aug 2013 #62

And may his dreams still come true: freshwest Aug 2013 #86

You sound like someone who would applaud "1984"'s O'Brien AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #104

Who are you again? DevonRex Aug 2013 #108

Great substantive post! laundry_queen Aug 2013 #109

As substantive as a personal attack deserves, DevonRex Aug 2013 #111

LOL, like your posts AREN'T personal attacks? laundry_queen Aug 2013 #112

obviously, so can you G_j Aug 2013 #113

Don't bother. Saying you would like the torturer in 1984 is a clear personal attack and baiting. freshwest Aug 2013 #132

Thank you. DevonRex Aug 2013 #137

You'd have to had remembered the reference. He was a sadistic, deceitful, evil being, not you. freshwest Aug 2013 #144

He did when he released the thousands of diplomatic emails, including unredacted names pnwmom Aug 2013 #134

Bradley Manning 'sorry' for hurting US at Wikileaks trial struggle4progress Aug 2013 #4

Does the psychiatrist claim that all GLBTs have an identity disorder? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #75

This is not prosecution testimony, y'know: it's Manning's defense. Spin it as homophobic if struggle4progress Aug 2013 #85

Manning tells court he's "sorry" for U.S. secrets breach to WikiLeaks struggle4progress Aug 2013 #5

He wants a light sentence so he has to apologize to get one. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #31

Only the judge knows whether he sounds authentic or not. randome Aug 2013 #48

so the judge should disregard his apology? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #53

Manning said that if he could do it over, he would fight to change the system from bluestate10 Aug 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #106

Awfully patronizing, don't you think? Not as if "the system" is so just and trustworthy... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #135

He looks so gentle in the picture at the link. He's been taken advantage of by 1% shills. freshwest Aug 2013 #49

I think he was a confused kid who thought he was doing the right thing arely staircase Aug 2013 #58

Agreed on everything you said. I read one of s4p's earlier threads and followed the money. freshwest Aug 2013 #68

"Wikileaks pulled in tens of millions of dollars a month, but only gave a paltry sum to Manning's Number23 Aug 2013 #131

I gave the link on the $59K above; the figures pulled in before they were blocked was on a s4p. freshwest Aug 2013 #136

What is the evidence that Assange influenced Manning? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #77

Follow the money jberryhill Aug 2013 #91

Was it you or someone else who said that Assange did not provide much Wikileaks money JDPriestly Aug 2013 #139

Quite obviously... jberryhill Aug 2013 #140

Manning takes stand, apologizes for hurting U.S. struggle4progress Aug 2013 #6

Bradley Manning says sorry for leaks that 'hurt the United States' struggle4progress Aug 2013 #7

I love Big Brother PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #8

Well, everybody's different! I myself simply adore folk who make intelligent informative comments! struggle4progress Aug 2013 #22

I am glad you feel that way. Sometimes a very simple statement is very poignant. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #24

Room 101 usually does a number on folks. drokhole Aug 2013 #74

A Typical Day For PFC Bradley Manning at Fort Leavenworth (03 May 2011) struggle4progress Aug 2013 #93

Yes, he was coerced into apologizing: freshwest Aug 2013 #105

how long till the first post saying "the man" must have got to him? snooper2 Aug 2013 #9

Looks like Peacetrain Aug 2013 #12

LOL snooper2 Aug 2013 #14

..... Peacetrain Aug 2013 #16

accusation has already been made. "They broke him" Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #30

Bradley Manning Defense Cites Rough Childhood, Gender Disorder struggle4progress Aug 2013 #10

Because the Defense highlighted this we must email Hagel DevonRex Aug 2013 #59

He basically blames his actions on not being able to handle being gay. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #71

It's his own theory and the defense has been pursuing it for some time struggle4progress Aug 2013 #92

I think you're misreading it. Being gay is NOT a gender disorder. freshwest Aug 2013 #130

I agree. Being gay is not a gender disorder. That is why I am troubled by his defense's argument. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #147

I'm going with what his attorney Coombs called it. Let me look up this Worsely quote. He's wrong. freshwest Aug 2013 #148

Worsley is a psychologist. He was called by the defense as their witness. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #149

How much did they torture him LittleBlue Aug 2013 #11

If he'd been tortured, why wouldn't his lawyer raise the issue? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #18

ignorance is bliss PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #23

When did his lawyer raise the issue? jberryhill Aug 2013 #26

Yawn. ACLU...... Historic NY Aug 2013 #32

military code is different than you and me as regular old citizens Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #39

Psychologist testifies Manning was isolated and ignored in Iraq struggle4progress Aug 2013 #13

Therapists Explore Manning's Idealism struggle4progress Aug 2013 #15

I struggle2getthroughthisthread Atman Aug 2013 #19

Really? I tried to provide links giving some overview of today's proceedings, but if struggle4progress Aug 2013 #35

...heh... progressoid Aug 2013 #70

LOL!! laundry_queen Aug 2013 #110

I take him at his word. BenzoDia Aug 2013 #20

So do I, and I respect him for these words. I believe he cares deeply about people. freshwest Aug 2013 #50

"Working within the system", would have made him a whistle blower.... Historic NY Aug 2013 #25

I hope they show mercy. 5 years minus time served. arely staircase Aug 2013 #27

Ten years would be about right. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #29

like I said, I'd go five minus the two served arely staircase Aug 2013 #61

+1,000. freshwest Aug 2013 #51

THANK YOU FOR LINKING THIS!!! I am happy to see the young man sees he was wrong Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #28

Thanks, that is a very sympathetic article. It appears his army superiors are coming to his aid. freshwest Aug 2013 #52

Looks like The Man got to him! Rex Aug 2013 #33

You certainly have an ... um ... inflated view of the power of internet posters! struggle4progress Aug 2013 #88

Sorry I don't reply to spam. Rex Aug 2013 #90

Just for you: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #94

But I will reply to MP clips! Rex Aug 2013 #95

KICKED and RECOMMENDED. If this gets 20 recs I'll be surprised Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #34

It's not the quantity of who recs it.. Cha Aug 2013 #40

So yours doesn't count ? bahrbearian Aug 2013 #81

YAY, Bradley Manning! Cha Aug 2013 #83

The real Manning disappears behind his symbolic value in certain narratives struggle4progress Aug 2013 #47

Wow, what you said: freshwest Aug 2013 #54

Personally I hope they show him mercy. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #36

... alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #37

Good! Wow.. someone standing up and willing to pay the price for Cha Aug 2013 #42

Real people do, Cha. We don't have the rich and famous to give us cover. Ditto thnx to s4p. freshwest Aug 2013 #98

You're right, fresh. So many personal insults and attacks hurled at s4Progress Cha Aug 2013 #99

I'm happy he released the "Collateral Murder" video. Dash87 Aug 2013 #43

Yep. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #44

The one which Assange admitted actually shows people with weapons including RPGs being fired on stevenleser Aug 2013 #46

In the stress of a war zone, I suspect those who have hammers see nails. As for the rest of it, freshwest Aug 2013 #60

I agree generally about hammers/nails, but in this case, they did see nails. stevenleser Aug 2013 #63

I'm sure they did see weapons. And did what they did as a matter of course. I found, though, as freshwest Aug 2013 #73

Hmm. Thanks Steve. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #64

They were body guards. Wasn't that "RPG" a camera? Dash87 Aug 2013 #65

Both. One of the suspected RPGs was a camera, one was an RPG.Another person in the crowd had an AK47 stevenleser Aug 2013 #66

Are AK 47's illegal? In the US and Iraq? bahrbearian Aug 2013 #82

I don't know. Do Iraqi's eat Ravioli? I've wondered that myself. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #122

The worst part of the video is the part nobody is addressing- Dash87 Aug 2013 #87

It has been addressed multiple times. See the wiki I referenced in #123 stevenleser Aug 2013 #125

The wiki article doesn't provide justification for the van attack. Dash87 Aug 2013 #138

No, there was at least one real RPG that was loaded. Some folks say two. stevenleser Aug 2013 #123

It does not matter if they had RPGs PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #126

If we are going to say facts don't matter, its not much of a conversation. The illegality of the stevenleser Aug 2013 #128

For me that video shows the dissasterous effects of the invasion PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #129

Check his eyes. Did he blink out the word "torture" using morse code? Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #45

Reminds me of Jose Padilla. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #56

You really want to compare Bradley Manning with a killer like Padilla? Oh--and your expert msanthrope Aug 2013 #89

This young man is much stronger than he knows. DevonRex Aug 2013 #57

The difference between him and Snowden is like night and day. Rex Aug 2013 #97

This reminds me of the guy who apologies after dick cheney shots him..... midnight Aug 2013 #67

And just like Winston, he loved Big Brother! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #69

A troubled young person, raised by an alcoholic mother, adrift msanthrope Aug 2013 #78

These statements show Mannings character Renew Deal Aug 2013 #79

No comparison that I can see. One calls for old people to get off their asses and leave hospitals, freshwest Aug 2013 #96

Why do you hate whistleblowers and what kind of progress RU struggling 4? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #100

... Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human struggle4progress Aug 2013 #102

Nice words. Bonobo Aug 2013 #103

I don't regard those three as whistle-blowers. Assange specialized in mass-dumping of documents struggle4progress Aug 2013 #114

So, for you, a whistleblower should be defined by what they DON'T release, not by what they do? Bonobo Aug 2013 #117

huh? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #119

Really? That was confusing for you? Bonobo Aug 2013 #123

"Here's hundreds of thousands of documents I haven't read" isn't whistle-blowing struggle4progress Aug 2013 #143

Enough to know that he exposed war crimes. Bonobo Aug 2013 #145

oh jeez G_j Aug 2013 #116

Like me or not, you should take Douglass very seriously: not only is he one of the finest struggle4progress Aug 2013 #118

no kidding G_j Aug 2013 #120

If everyone cared about what people thought of them, we wouldn't have nearly as many famous people AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #107

Which is why I snickered at you when you attacked me above. DevonRex Aug 2013 #115

There are FIVE lights Paulie Aug 2013 #121

Very moving...he has dealt with incredible hardship, deserves mercy and I hope he receives it BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #127

It's creepy to see all the people here who seemed almost sexually aroused by talk of persecuting Marr Aug 2013 #133

*snort* Oakenshield Aug 2013 #146

No apology for the innocent people killed by the military helicopter. Lint Head Aug 2013 #142