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phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
29. Such simple minded bullshit.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:56 PM
Aug 2013

First off, the President doesn't control every local police force in the country and that's a good thing. I would hate for a Republican tyrant to have that kind of power.

Many Occupy arrests were due to protestors blocking intersections and pedestrian traffic or refusing to comply with dispersal orders which are legal based on local codes and laws. People have the RIGHT to protest but people who aren't participating also have the RIGHT to travel, go to work and go about their day without being impeded by protestors.

Yes, there have been very troubling instances of police brutality toward protestors, but to blame that on the federal government is just idiotic. Based on your spin, you'd think the President of the United States is micromanaging every police officer at every protest in every city and every state in the country. Its ludicrous. Officers getting out of line is a local issue.

But to answer your question, no the definition of domestic terrorism does not apply. Police attempting to break up massive protests that are causing logistical problems for average citizens within these cities is not unlawful. Likewise, if theres a concern for the security or property of others, they can step in and break it up. And whenever you have thousands of people coming together to protest, there is almost always going to be sects within that group that protest in a way that's going to attract law enforcement intervention. I've been to an occupy protest, don't act like everyone participating is a mature adult behaving themselves. That's not the case. There are pockets of rowdy, immature people in all of them. And that's all it takes to attract the wrong kind of attention.

Theres a fine line between peaceful protests and disturbing the peace. In a lot of these instances, disturbing the peace can be rightfully cited as the reason for law enforcement trying to move a crowd. In some cases, you have officers who are power maniacs with short fuses and they go overboard. Those officers should be investigated and fired, but that's still a city issue, whether you like it or not.

I'm all for a productive conversation about the limits to free speech and cracking down hard on police brutality. But the way you portray the situation is completely off the rails and out of touch with the reality of the way things work.

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Are you comparing 525 dead in Egypt with Occupy? msanthrope Aug 2013 #1
We needed to relearn these old wise sayings: KoKo Aug 2013 #2
Truth. And sarcasm/mockery is the language of sadists. We hated it when W did it to us... n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #5
Occu-what? Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #3
Often takes the application of mental energy to know what's going on in the world around us. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #6
Welcome to DU! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #7
Kinda false equivalency, there... MineralMan Aug 2013 #4
Why don't you agree? KarKar Aug 2013 #59
In time, I am sure you will MineralMan Aug 2013 #60
It's okay when Egypt's generals murder hundreds, but not when American cops beat somebody? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #8
I never knew just how many Occupiers were arrested. over 7700? That is outrageous. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #9
7,762 according to this site Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #11
Tell me...how many of these people were arrested? brooklynite Aug 2013 #24
Your reply indicates a discomfort with Civil Disobedience and perhaps a need to better understand Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #31
You're welcome to believe in, and engage in civil disobedience... brooklynite Aug 2013 #35
There most definitely is a "them" about whom Occupy has been speaking. Examples: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #39
k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #10
Now the President is a Domestic Terrorist. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #12
According to the real, actual, factual FBI and "patriot act" definitions of domestic terrorism, YES. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #14
I guess we should impeach him. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #15
You believe the corrupt systems can provide justice? Look at Wall Street and banks such as HSBC, Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #19
I did consider the issues you presented. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #26
Again, check the factual, US government-issued definition of domestic terrorist Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #34
You clearly missed the joke about blue links. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #37
Gentle jokes in the midst of obduracy may be overlooked or misunderstood. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #40
How many OWS people were arrested by the federal government vs those who were killed by Egypt's geek tragedy Aug 2013 #56
No, Obama is a 'terrrorist' according to deranged, insane psychopaths who have no ability to grasp geek tragedy Aug 2013 #54
I've seen him called that before on DU. great white snark Aug 2013 #16
Read the definition(s) of domestic terrorism and explain to me how they do not apply Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #20
Such simple minded bullshit. phleshdef Aug 2013 #29
Great Post. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #36
you win the thread. nt dionysus Aug 2013 #47
Your reality, facts, and logica are terrorism against the paranoid fantasies geek tragedy Aug 2013 #55
+1000 n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #58
Amazing isn't it. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #21
Weird how the arrests of more than 7,762 peaceful activists under a "democratic" president fails Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #23
people only care what happens to people they agree with. Sad fact of humanity. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #25
i would alter that statment to start with 'some' laundry_queen Aug 2013 #27
Why do you think I disagree with the Occupy folks? JoePhilly Aug 2013 #28
So if I don't agree that the arrest of these folks is the same as JoePhilly Aug 2013 #30
Posting this here as well: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #41
Fire Walk of the 7762 Generic Other Aug 2013 #48
Many got probation after months of worrisome court dates and extremely aggressive prosecutors. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #49
I didn't realize so many cases had such negative outcomes Generic Other Aug 2013 #50
I'm glad your local group had a positive experience. Small towns can be like that Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Generic Other Aug 2013 #51
I'm not sure if Domestic Terrorist is an upgrade or not. What do you think? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #22
I think suggesting that the Presdient is a Domestic Terrorist, JoePhilly Aug 2013 #32
One opinion. You don't speak for the entirity of occupy so why use the word "us?" great white snark Aug 2013 #13
No, I do not speak for the entire movement. However, I am observing and reporting upon what occurred Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #18
If Obama is to blame, you should be demanding his impeachment. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #33
A large enough group of those pissed, IS a plan. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #42
"Obama is to blame" said someone who has no idea of how our government actually works. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57
uh huh. zappaman Aug 2013 #17
. dionysus Aug 2013 #38
mphmphph. titter. giggle. DevonRex Aug 2013 #45
Oh my God! Number23 Aug 2013 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #43
So you think Obama is a domestic terrorist? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #44
Yes, she does think President Obama is a terrorist. DevonRex Aug 2013 #46
Obama didn't arrest Occupy Demonstrators. Simple fact whereas your post is a paranoid fantasy, nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #53
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