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JDPriestly

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18. So, if college students only take courses that "lead to jobs," what happens
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 04:09 PM
Aug 2013

to scholarship and culture? What happens to anthropology and 17th Century French Poetry and similar fields that don't produce milk or corn or soap suds?

Did you know that Steve Jobs attended Reed College in Portland, Oregon, notorious for its liberal arts emphasis. He is an example of a person who obtained a well rounded education and studied not just how to integrate nuts and bolts with electric wires but how to integrate the personal creativity and aesthetics he had developed in his education to make really attractive products that appeal not just to the desire for products and efficiency but to the human spirit.

Undergrad students should train themselves to work and prepare themselves for the jobs available, but most jobs opening now are in the service industries, and to do them well, you need to understand people (psychology helps), sales (art and music help), communication (languages help), and how to think about the future, which is best learned, oddly enough, from history.

Liberal arts education should be COMBINED with vocational training. Students should not have to pick one or the other and indeed should not be allowed t get a degree without a good grounding in some liberal arts subjects.

Accounting degrees with no knowledge of history -- that's how we got the 2008 economic melt-down.

That course in 17th Century French poetry is where young minds learn history, how to understand different points of view (placing themselves in the mind of a different historical period) and where they develop a sense of their own values and historical and cultural position.

Anyone with a good background in liberal arts can learn technical stuff. I know so many who have done that. But once you are 30, you probably won't have the time to go back and learn about the Middle Ages or the life cycle of the bees. College is for learning more than a trade.

People can go to trade schools after college. In fact, the technical stuff you learn at a junior college may be out-of-date before you graduate.

I think that employers should do far more on-the-job training when it comes to technical skills.

Technology is changing fast. A fundamental liberal arts education is never outmoded or obsolete.

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I paid for 4 years of college (private) way back when which wouldn't even joeybee12 Aug 2013 #1
the young need to start voting consistently in large numbers tabbycat31 Aug 2013 #2
I'm not sure the young are fooled by the corporate-owned government and political parties. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #3
no matter how cynical they may get, they should still always vote... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #14
I really wish that more college students and their parents SheilaT Aug 2013 #4
Oh yes, forget about being a creative thinker - go to school to be a Dental Assistant. It's cheaper. Myrina Aug 2013 #7
Yes, because creativity can only come from a degree. JoeyT Aug 2013 #10
Dental assistants can't be creative thinkers? SheilaT Aug 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #27
fuck that shit. if you want to get an advanced degree and have the mental ability, do it! Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #15
you have to be able to pay for it... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #17
well, we shall see. I got an undergrad business degree from state university and owe Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #22
but what happens when you blow $50K (or more) ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #24
there is nothing wrong with it as long as a person is committed to paying it back Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #25
that's $650/ month... without any interest... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #31
So, if college students only take courses that "lead to jobs," what happens JDPriestly Aug 2013 #18
What I'm trying to point out is that SheilaT Aug 2013 #23
Not if you have children. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #38
Get the education first, incur tens of thousands of dollars of debt, SheilaT Aug 2013 #39
What you said Agony Aug 2013 #34
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #5
... I took out $30k of loans in the 90's as a single mom ... Myrina Aug 2013 #6
I wonder what academia thinks. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #8
Have you looked at the salaries of college administrators recently? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #19
College administration is an emerging area of "elite compensation." chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #35
True. True. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #37
We are involved... a la izquierda Aug 2013 #36
how are we supposed to compete in a global market? Skittles Aug 2013 #9
While the article is correct, there's much more to it.... PRIVATE STUDENT LOANS groundloop Aug 2013 #11
in state community college tuition+fees... $2100 / semester for 15+ hours ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #12
A lot of those buildings are done to attract donations from wealthy graduates and friends JDPriestly Aug 2013 #21
In California, at least, community colleges are so overcrowded, er, "impacted" KamaAina Aug 2013 #28
I am glad he called out "bullshit degrees." joeglow3 Aug 2013 #13
That's not what the guy meant by "a degree in bullshit". KamaAina Aug 2013 #29
You need to read a few paragraphs further joeglow3 Aug 2013 #30
Much like our whole medical industry 'crisis'..... Wounded Bear Aug 2013 #16
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author warrprayer Aug 2013 #32
College education should be free. gulliver Aug 2013 #33
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