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In reply to the discussion: Remember when Obama said the NSA wasn’t “actually abusing” its powers? He was wrong. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)1. Actually,
"Remember when Obama said the NSA wasnt actually abusing its powers? He was wrong."
...he wasn't. Here's the key part:
Members of Congress may read the unredacted documents, but only in a special secure room and are not allowed to take notes. Fewer than 10 percent of lawmakers employ a staff member who has the security clearance to read the reports and provide advice about their meaning and significance.
The limited portions of the reports that can be read by the public acknowledge a small number of compliance incidents.
Under NSA auditing guidelines, the incident count does not usually disclose the number of Americans affected.
What you really want to know, I would think, is how many innocent U.S. person communications are, one, collected at all, and two, subject to scrutiny, said Julian Sanchez, a research scholar and close student of the NSA at the Cato Institute.
The documents provided by Snowden offer only glimpses of those questions. Some reports make clear that an unauthorized search produced no records. But a single incident in February 2012 involved the unlawful retention of 3,032 files that the surveillance court had ordered the NSA to destroy, according to the May 2012 audit. Each file contained an undisclosed number of telephone call records.
The limited portions of the reports that can be read by the public acknowledge a small number of compliance incidents.
Under NSA auditing guidelines, the incident count does not usually disclose the number of Americans affected.
What you really want to know, I would think, is how many innocent U.S. person communications are, one, collected at all, and two, subject to scrutiny, said Julian Sanchez, a research scholar and close student of the NSA at the Cato Institute.
The documents provided by Snowden offer only glimpses of those questions. Some reports make clear that an unauthorized search produced no records. But a single incident in February 2012 involved the unlawful retention of 3,032 files that the surveillance court had ordered the NSA to destroy, according to the May 2012 audit. Each file contained an undisclosed number of telephone call records.
They're still talking about metadata, not all the searches produce records, inadvertently targeting U.S. persons may or may not be the reason for the compliance problems (the report doesn't say), and it appears the minimization procedures work (records destroyed).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023469108#post8
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Remember when Obama said the NSA wasn’t “actually abusing” its powers? He was wrong. [View all]
Catherina
Aug 2013
OP
Butt hurt. Keep bringing it on, Catherina! The truth will defeat the ProCheney, ProAuthoritarians.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#107
What I heard him say it that we have a system that can be abused but isnt being abused
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#61
That sounds about right. They really do think we are all stupid. Although the frenzied reactions
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#77
I think they are well aware that a lot of Americans, while maybe not stupid, really dont care.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#93
Zero mistakes are impossible. The rate is extremely low though, you must admit.
JaneyVee
Aug 2013
#98
Yeah, something like that. Exactly that. And only McCain & Graham could go to Egypt
Catherina
Aug 2013
#10
"I don't want to see the first Black President of the US go down on something this stupid."
ProSense
Aug 2013
#15
You're correct. When he totally absolved the past, saying "go forward, not back",
delrem
Aug 2013
#46
With the Internet, we may see the first President to DO something about it....
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#29
There is a fine line between rhetoric and lying. He is certainly a master at rhetoric. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#63
Do you honestly believe the CIA hasn't had ongoing operations regardless of who's President?
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#25
I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing out that the OP is using an NSA document. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#83
Why is it when when some people are wrong, they're LYING, but when others are wrong
Dreamer Tatum
Aug 2013
#74
At this point its hard to take SnowGlen fans seriously because of the consummate amount of sophistry
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#90
Well, now that he knows of the abuse, I'm sure Obama will prosecute the abusers....won't he?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#78
Holder is on it! Like the SEC on Wall Street, or banking regulators on Bof A
Safetykitten
Aug 2013
#79