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rhett o rick

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102. We have no idea how many "mistakes" because no one has been monitoring.

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 05:45 PM

Aug 2013

This article says there have been thousands of "mistakes". And that's only the ones they will admit to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3472872

“The executive branch has now confirmed that the 'rules, regulations and court-imposed standards for protecting the privacy of Americans' have been violated thousands of times each year.

And these "mistakes" that they are now admitting to do not include all the cases were they have gathered data that they interpret dont require a warrant. Some dont agree with their interpretation of the Constitution. I think those cases are "mistakes". Just because Gen Clapper says it meets the Constitution doesnt make it so.

I hope you agree we need an honest investigation.

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Remember when Obama said the NSA wasn�t �actually abusing� its powers? He was wrong. [View all] Catherina Aug 2013 OP

Actually, ProSense Aug 2013 #1

LOL, I bet you tire Catherina kicking your ass here! m-t Logical Aug 2013 #21

You probably know this but MFrohike Aug 2013 #23

It is the same document Progressive dog Aug 2013 #49

They count on nobody ever bothering to check. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #67

Googlebombing is hard work bobduca Aug 2013 #122

Same\similar doc uponit7771 Aug 2013 #89

Butt hurt. Keep bringing it on, Catherina! The truth will defeat the ProCheney, ProAuthoritarians. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #107

Actually he didn't say it doesn't happen, only that if it does happen JaneyVee Aug 2013 #2

At this point this is in the same category as bananas nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #9

Speaking of running gags...n/t LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #82

Results of Jury Service joeglow3 Aug 2013 #88

How would you know, being here since July? laundry_queen Aug 2013 #95

Good question. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #97

A question that we ALL know the answer to. bvar22 Aug 2013 #111

The rate of mistakes is 0.01399999999 JaneyVee Aug 2013 #99

Only if you assume they are mistakes nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #100

They have to be mistakes because they would never hold up in a court of law. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #101

They have, US troops in the field nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #103

What an obviously false dichotomy. Threedifferentones Aug 2013 #119

What I heard him say it that we have a system that can be abused but isnt being abused rhett o rick Aug 2013 #61

That sounds about right. They really do think we are all stupid. Although the frenzied reactions sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #77

I think they are well aware that a lot of Americans, while maybe not stupid, really dont care. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #93

Zero mistakes are impossible. The rate is extremely low though, you must admit. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #98

We have no idea how many "mistakes" because no one has been monitoring. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #102

And they are auditing Just Saying Aug 2013 #113

One could argue... BlueCheese Aug 2013 #3

It is possible... sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #5

How much easier it would have been to just come clean or simply say Catherina Aug 2013 #8

One could argue.........and they would be absolutely correct! Th1onein Aug 2013 #14

+1. nt clarice Aug 2013 #76

Haven't you seen the new memo? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #4

Just reading the number of 180's in there makes me dizzy! nt Pholus Aug 2013 #7

Yeah, something like that. Exactly that. And only McCain & Graham could go to Egypt Catherina Aug 2013 #10

It almost sounds as if you need beer and travel money. nt grasswire Aug 2013 #35

"That's cool too cause chess and shit." TDale313 Aug 2013 #42

+1 Marr Aug 2013 #44

Wow. That sums it up so well. vi5 Aug 2013 #56

DUzy! Th1onein Aug 2013 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #6

Does he even know he's lying? Catherina Aug 2013 #11

I don't really know but it does raise the question, limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #12

Is that a Nixon-era quote? It just rings that kind of a bell. Catherina Aug 2013 #13

"I don't want to see the first Black President of the US go down on something this stupid." ProSense Aug 2013 #15

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #16

Like I said, hyperbole isn't the case for impeachment. ProSense Aug 2013 #18

You're correct. When he totally absolved the past, saying "go forward, not back", delrem Aug 2013 #46

I would almost guarantee that he will, now. bemildred Aug 2013 #72

I think it is a Watergate-era quote. I've heard it in that context. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #17

Thank you. It's quite powerful n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #69

It is... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #87

Yes it is from the Watergate hearings... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #27

Thanks n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #70

With the Internet, we may see the first President to DO something about it.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #29

That's the problem right there. No accountability n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #71

Sen. Howard Baker in Watergate Hearings...Here's a bit of fascinating stuff... KoKo Aug 2013 #91

"Constructive knowledge" can be assigned to Obama. Divernan Aug 2013 #92

There is a fine line between rhetoric and lying. He is certainly a master at rhetoric. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #63

Inconceivable! n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #19

Do you honestly believe the CIA hasn't had ongoing operations regardless of who's President? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #25

Wait. What? CIA, who, now? DirkGently Aug 2013 #26

It was Inconceivable! Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #31

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. NealK Aug 2013 #32

Lol...that's the famous Princess Bride quote... dkf Aug 2013 #33

I kinda figured that out. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #41

"What you�re hearing about is the prospect that these could be abused." ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #22

Just as I thought, we have a rogue agency. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #24

....and the president of the united states is not in charge. grasswire Aug 2013 #37

They're not "running the country". They're doing their own thing... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #39

Damn! kentuck Aug 2013 #28

NSA statements to The Post ProSense Aug 2013 #30

Chicken Noodle Soup Recipe: NealK Aug 2013 #34

ACLU: NSA Legislation Since the Leaks Began ProSense Aug 2013 #36

This is a must read: NealK Aug 2013 #38

LOL! limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #40

you win this thread! idwiyo Aug 2013 #43

+10000 NuclearDem Aug 2013 #45

LOL! Aerows Aug 2013 #68

Apparently, there is a glitch in the matrix. xocet Aug 2013 #47

LMAO! Best reply ever! eom Kermitt Gribble Aug 2013 #106

What a surprise. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #48

Audit themselves and tell Congress,but it's a coverup Progressive dog Aug 2013 #50

they didn't actually tell Congress. cali Aug 2013 #53

Yes, it was available to Congress nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #54

in a highly edited and redacted form. cali Aug 2013 #55

Oh, you saw it nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #58

Dianne Feinstein didn't know anything about it. Aerows Aug 2013 #60

That's what she said-nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #118

Which doesn't Aerows Aug 2013 #120

I remember Al Franken being Progressive dog Aug 2013 #124

Could be Aerows Aug 2013 #125

What do you suggest? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #62

Maybe they could have the Chinese audit them, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #117

What did they tell Congress? David Krout Aug 2013 #121

To all Congress who bothered to look. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #123

of course he was wrong cali Aug 2013 #51

Good morning dear Cali Catherina Aug 2013 #73

wtf?? Seriously? 1awake Aug 2013 #80

Seriously. And thanks Catherina Aug 2013 #81

It just makes me sick that there are people on here 1awake Aug 2013 #85

k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #52

So the NSA can't be trusted ... but we believe their internal audits. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #57

Still trying to defend the NSA? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #66

I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing out that the OP is using an NSA document. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #83

Well said. Just Saying Aug 2013 #114

You don't know more than Obama, Mrs. Snowden MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #59

It seems important that you think the President knows more than Snowden. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #65

From my blog today...it applies, and I gave benefit of doubt nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #86

N.S.A. Often Broke Rules on Privacy, Audit Shows ProSense Aug 2013 #64

Why is it when when some people are wrong, they're LYING, but when others are wrong Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #74

Very true. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #75

At this point its hard to take SnowGlen fans seriously because of the consummate amount of sophistry uponit7771 Aug 2013 #90

It depends on the circumstances. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #127

It's way simpler than that. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #130

No it is simple, but accurate. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #131

Well, now that he knows of the abuse, I'm sure Obama will prosecute the abusers....won't he? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #78

Holder is on it! Like the SEC on Wall Street, or banking regulators on Bof A Safetykitten Aug 2013 #79

You are using an NSA document. Are you vouching for its veracity? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #84

NDAA: It is legal for the government to lie to your face. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #94

And in a world where Binney, manning, Snowden et al truedelphi Aug 2013 #105

Have to say I agree with the OP. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #104

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #108

Kick! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #109

"President Obama needs better Advisors ..." slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #110

I absolutely agree! bvar22 Aug 2013 #112

Of course it was 'someone else' and who could have foreseen ... slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #115

He's a fraud fascisthunter Aug 2013 #116

Kick Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #126

K&R nt TBF Aug 2013 #128

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #129