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BlueCheese

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34. The article takes as given that Obama has said false things and gives two choices.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

Either Obama is lying, or he is dangerously uninformed and incompetent.

My guess is if you were to ask Obama or various administration officials themselves, they would claim they haven't said anything false, mostly because they've defined terms in ways that are different than how most people see them. Is that lying? You could certainly argue it is, but they might genuinely think that it's not.

When Obama says the NSA isn't "abusing", he probably means intentionally looking at data they shouldn't look at, according to their rules, thus excluding the 2700+ times they unintentionally did so. (Of course, I think abuse starts when they store our data in the first place, well before any looking takes place.)

When he says we don't have a "domestic spying program", he probably means something like monitoring the calls and Internet activity of many or even most Americans. Things like keeping the communications of Americans that were "incidentally" caught up in targeting foreigners don't count in this regard.

I'm not sure what he meant by saying the FISA court is "transparent". This, while clearly erroneous, is in a category of falsehood that is so obvious that it's almost less dangerous, since the audience can tell on their own that it's false. The first two items are much more dangerous, because the audience can't tell on its own that they are being deceived.

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Gellman's comments on Obama's definition of "abuse": dkf Aug 2013 #1
What if? He did! nt HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #2
He has lied to us. last1standing Aug 2013 #3
Since the 2012 election, This administration has become increasingly tone deaf n2doc Aug 2013 #4
What if? Really? Of course he lied! Bake Aug 2013 #5
What if ProSense Aug 2013 #6
That's how all politicians and CEOs get away with it. Because we can't know for sure liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #7
Obama is God? jeff47 Aug 2013 #8
You're arguing that Obama is incompetent DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #13
No, I'm arguing that he doesn't know what millions of people do every day. jeff47 Aug 2013 #21
Personally, 1awake Aug 2013 #9
I''ll make it simple, blunt, and direct. mick063 Aug 2013 #24
And me rusty fender Aug 2013 #25
That's just how I feel. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #27
Agree... I can't believe that any Committee he would appoint would KoKo Aug 2013 #28
And me n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #30
+2 Segami Aug 2013 #32
Not just you. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #35
Agree...it needs to be stopped. Commissions and the rest will take too long KoKo Aug 2013 #45
"What if"? woo me with science Aug 2013 #10
NDAA: It is legal for the government to lie to your face. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #11
"Tweaking of the Smith-Mundt Act & FRAA Protecting from Govt. Misinformation" KoKo Aug 2013 #22
Koko rides every anti-Obama bandwagon MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #12
Super. Now address the question. Is he lying? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #14
heh SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #16
Cognitive dissonance...it's the new fashion I s'pose nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #19
And there are so very many. It's only Obama's fault. Don't blame the bullshit callers! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #23
You mean the Hair on Fire Department? MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #29
Things such as the TPP should have everyone's hair on fire but no. Anyhoo, Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #31
No discussion. Just ad-hominem. burnodo Aug 2013 #41
Koko left discussion behind in 2008. Maybe you weren't aware of that. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #46
If Obama says the sky is blue bashers, wingers and fudr will say he's lying. He's a politician uponit7771 Aug 2013 #15
We're supposed to be happy that his lies are small relative to others' lies? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #17
Right, I would like the president to tell the truth to his political enemies and national enemies uponit7771 Aug 2013 #18
OK. I'll mark you as "likes and respects being lied to". DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #20
"...HIS political enemies and national enemies"? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #36
Well we don't know that he did. We also don't know that he didn't. Autumn Aug 2013 #26
"We won't know for certain...either way. And, that's what wrong with what's KoKo Aug 2013 #33
Have you seen this? Autumn Aug 2013 #37
The article takes as given that Obama has said false things and gives two choices. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #34
None of those are even POTUS' worst lie lately. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #38
Agree that statement from him was CRASS and Dismissive of our Concerns.. KoKo Aug 2013 #39
Impossible, he's still got his halo. n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #40
This is a wee bit beyond lying about a blowjob... nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #42
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #43
What if?? kentuck Aug 2013 #44
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