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64. i think you misunderstood my why

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:05 AM

Aug 2013

i think that giving up rights for safety is a false question...afterall this spying did not stop those prison breaks in the last couple weeks

yes we are way past the "line",clearly illegal ,unconstitutional spying has occurred

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"Here's what now should be taken as an operating procedure in any discussion of the NSA..." [View all] WilliamPitt Aug 2013 OP

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #1

Is anyone keeping track chronologically of the revelations, admissions, and corresponding defenses? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #40

To do so would be a wonderful public service. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #82

I am betting there is someone out there that has already done it. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #87

Yeah, I know Altemeyer's work & have followed the evolution of Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #92

I havent read Dean's book. I will make a point of it. So much to read, so little time. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #93

Perfect. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #2

I got it out of my system. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #6

Oooo, which thread was that? hootinholler Aug 2013 #24

She cant goad me any more. I use the ignore function and it's been great. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #42

Me, too -- chervilant Aug 2013 #78

I agree. I have a weakness that makes me argue with those that IMO are only rhett o rick Aug 2013 #88

The problem with that is... bvar22 Aug 2013 #97

You are right of course with everything you said. And I would add that rhett o rick Aug 2013 #99

Smart guy, that Charlie Pierce pscot Aug 2013 #3

Watch out Will...there is a purge of ideas currently going on. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #4

I brought my helmet. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #5

Good for you, as they are touchy with the facts...or ideas in general. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #7

And you seem to be particularly popular. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #43

i went through all the posts for that day SwampG8r Aug 2013 #65

This is increasingly becoming my position as well. longship Aug 2013 #8

Recommended Autumn Aug 2013 #9

"whether it comes from your favorite pundit, your favorite congresscritter, OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #10

OOWEE! JDPriestly Aug 2013 #32

I propose that it works like this quakerboy Aug 2013 #59

+1 JDPriestly Aug 2013 #60

On the money. go west young man Aug 2013 #73

I believe cult behavior is also critical to this type of disruption. reusrename Aug 2013 #83

Makes me wonder if this has/had anything to do with it randomelement Aug 2013 #85

Privatization of Governmental Responsibilities and The Commons... bvar22 Aug 2013 #98

There are fire n' teabaggers here propagandizing Whisp Aug 2013 #62

absolutely! Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #11

K&R caseymoz Aug 2013 #12

the level of blind trust has bothered me from the beginning -- my "bluelink" special stupidicus Aug 2013 #13

Charlie is spot-on again FlyByNight Aug 2013 #14

Clapper and the other bald-headed Nazis running our NSA . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #15

+1000. Yes, how else. There has to be a lot of blackmail in all that data. RC Aug 2013 #27

That is my best guess. another_liberal Aug 2013 #46

Hoover on steroids. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #66

Possible. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #38

I sincerely hope you are wrong. another_liberal Aug 2013 #45

I googled 'NSA budget soars under Obama'... Blanks Aug 2013 #51

NSA is listed as a "blacked out program", therefore no factual info is put out. go west young man Aug 2013 #74

'Blacked out program' translates into guessing... Blanks Aug 2013 #84

Your "opinion" vs. my links. go west young man Aug 2013 #96

Let's talk about the last article then... Blanks Aug 2013 #100

Excerpt from the article you claim you read. go west young man Aug 2013 #104

You want to be right. I get it, but the link below... Blanks Aug 2013 #109

Checkmate! bvar22 Aug 2013 #102

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #16

Time for another Church Committee? kentuck Aug 2013 #17

And another one down, and another one down, bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #18

K&R Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #19

That's one helluva article. Catherina Aug 2013 #20

Yes. We need a complete opening of the NSA surveillance files. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #34

+1000 Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #75

But...at this point in time...Who would appoint that Commission... KoKo Aug 2013 #41

" Can't have the peasants knowing that they're being spied upon..." chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #48

That's why the 2700+ violations number is misleading LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #101

On the MONEY!!! dkf Aug 2013 #21

But, but the pole dancer....and the boxes!!! nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #22

Oopsies! chervilant Aug 2013 #80

Well, so be it. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #90

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #23

But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #25

kickaroo frylock Aug 2013 #26

KnR Will Hekate Aug 2013 #28

blue link matrix computing...computing...computing.... xocet Aug 2013 #29

Don't say it's name! Maedhros Aug 2013 #50

Thank You! raindaddy Aug 2013 #30

But Snowden broke the law. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #31

K/R Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #33

K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #35

knr Th1onein Aug 2013 #36

DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #37

"Give me safety or give me death!" kentuck Aug 2013 #39

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #44

Instead of slinging arrows from either side, Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #47

what's acceptable? questionseverything Aug 2013 #53

I just don't see it as black annd white as you do. n/t Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #54

so you do not believe in the Constitution? questionseverything Aug 2013 #55

I absolutely do. Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #56

Why? quakerboy Aug 2013 #61

i think you misunderstood my why questionseverything Aug 2013 #64

This is the kind of debate I'm talking about. Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #94

Other Whistle Blowers have come forward. Snowden is just the latest. As for this: sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #67

"...in dribs and drabs, according to Snowden's whims of press releases." Wrong! scarletwoman Aug 2013 #79

Excuse me, but I DID say Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #95

When the pukes we're in charge... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #49

Great Idea! I am on board! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #52

Dick Cheney says "What problem ?" steve2470 Aug 2013 #57

IF the president loses Pierce, he's in big trouble Doctor_J Aug 2013 #58

Yeah, his 80% approval rating with liberals will drop to 79%. Coyotl Aug 2013 #81

We'll see how the midterms go. since the president is so hugely popular it should be Doctor_J Aug 2013 #91

Since his approval rating with liberals is 68%... cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #106

Some whistle indeed. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #63

Bravo! vanlassie Aug 2013 #70

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #68

wow. That was great. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #69

Transparency, shransparency. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #71

I know which Cryptoad Aug 2013 #72

Too bad elections don't always go to the good guys. Pholus Aug 2013 #77

There is a good chance a Republican will be sitting in the Oval Office in 2016. bvar22 Aug 2013 #103

Well ,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #105

If all you have is Ad Hominem Logical Fallacies and adolescent Name Calling bvar22 Aug 2013 #107

Thank you,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #108

Great post to wake up to Oilwellian Aug 2013 #76

Do you stand behind your source? nt gulliver Aug 2013 #86

Obvious stuff, to many. Apparently needs saying. Repeatedly. DirkGently Aug 2013 #89