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Isoldeblue

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95. Excuse me, but I DID say

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:37 PM

Aug 2013

I want to get all the information before I make a judgement. Or was that conveniently omitted so you could put me down to make yourself feel better?

"...but I want to know everything, before I make a judgement on it."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3474293

I could have added that I hadn't had a chance to catch up on all the latest info, but I didn't feel that I was obligated to anyone to defend myself.

All I want is a respectful debate on where do we draw the line between corporate and/or governments access to our personal information.

Also, I was speaking directly to only Snowden's style of leaking. It was you who took that further, to something different.

You accuse me of the same thing you've done of making erroneous assumptions. So what does that make your opinion?

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